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Has Deltava.org ever considered a bidding system |
DVA6167
Senior Captain, B737-800
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163 legs,
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4.0 hours event 1,225 legs, 4,810.0 hours total 343 legs dispatched, 224.0
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:29 ET by Bryan Klawiter
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I was just wondering if the idea of flight bidding has ever come up. Maybe people would hate the idea, or maybe it wouldnt even work. One of the problems I have is trying to make up my mind what and where I am going to fly. I personally think it would be kind of neat to be able to choose a flight that is left over for the day on a first come first serve basis. As soon as the RSKI to KMSP is taken for the day no one could fly it till the following day for example.
This is nothing more than idea's, I am very happy with the operations, just thought I would give some idea's to make it better.
Thanks
Bryan KlawiterSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA6036
Captain, B777-200
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110 legs,
371.3 hours online 114 legs,
378.9 hours ACARS 25 legs,
89.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:33 ET by John Spartan
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i like it alot.. of course you know me.. I want full flight assignments too.
John SpartanCaptain, B777-200
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DVA6086
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736.2 hours ACARS 2,853 legs, 7,687.7 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:39 ET by Teodor Negru
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The idea in itself sounds rather easy to implement. When you select a flight while building a flight assignment, that flight is "off the market" till either you fly it, or you release it. On the other hand, you should have some sort of discouraging people to "stock up" on flights and not actually fly them.
However, this would mean forcing people to fly only flight assignments, and i don't know how many would be happy about that.
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DVA3438
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:40 ET by Kyle Catlin
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This is kinda what they did at VirtualFrontier. It was not that great. People should be able to fly any flight the would want to fly. I fly with other DVAers on like mini group flights.What if there's only one flight between too places? Then we can't fly. What happens if i fly to COS or GFK and all the flights out are taken? I'm stuck there... Just my 2 cents.
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DVA6167
Senior Captain, B737-800
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Madison, WI USA
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163 legs,
522.6 hours online 1,169 legs,
4,579.1 hours ACARS 2 legs,
4.0 hours event 1,225 legs, 4,810.0 hours total 343 legs dispatched, 224.0
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:44 ET by Bryan Klawiter
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I saw the thread that John Spartan started a while back which is pretty much saying the same thing, so I am sorry for bringing up the matter again.
Bryan KlawiterSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA6036
Captain, B777-200
Joined on June 14 2008
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Midwestern United States
117 legs, 382.8 hours
110 legs,
371.3 hours online 114 legs,
378.9 hours ACARS 25 legs,
89.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 12:54 ET by John Spartan
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no dont be.. I have made numerous suggestions around here which were met with no positive response. Like hey good idea. Its good to see this topic getting some action. I dont care WHO brings up the good idea as long as if they are positive they get some traction. i am starting to get bored. I made it to 777 captain.. now what..
I think it would be interesting to log into ACARS and receive a flight assignment and have the choice to accept it or fly my own. You know something generated that matches my ratings. So i would fly routes that never occured to me. Sure the events are cool around here but constantly picking my own flights is getting a little redundant. your idea is good too. its something new and fresh more in line with the way things work in the real world. I like it.
I would love to have a system that
you choose a time.. say saturday 9 am EST. and the plane.. 777 and a length.. you know plus or minus whatever miles and maybe a starting airport? Who knows. you do this days before putting in your bid for a flight. saying your available. Then you get an email or you log on at 8:30 am for preflight on that morning and your ready to go.
if you didnt want to do it.. you could opt completely out of it..
I dont see the need to lock aircraft or lock routes.. just let people fly.. but give them some surpise..
I think that would be cool.. but maybe I am just crazy.
John SpartanCaptain, B777-200
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DVA6167
Senior Captain, B737-800
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522.6 hours online 1,169 legs,
4,579.1 hours ACARS 2 legs,
4.0 hours event 1,225 legs, 4,810.0 hours total 343 legs dispatched, 224.0
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 13:13 ET by Bryan Klawiter
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Thanks for the nice response John, I think you hit it on the nail of what I was trying to suggest.
Bryan KlawiterSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA3672
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 14:04 ET by Chris Frasure
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Larry Foltran, our MD88 CP, has a download on his website that will randomly create a schedule for you. Its rather slick and I use it when I don't have any idea where i want to fly. Check it out...
http://www.md88online.com/flight_sim_virtual_dispatchers.htm
CF
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DVA4589
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Posted onPost created on
September 25 2008 14:11 ET by Marius Petrascu
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I don't really see the point here. You can go to Find a Flight in the Pilot Center and it will give you a list of flights. You can sort them by aircraft, airline, destination etc. You can also see the Route Map for an overall idea of where to fly.
If you book flights and no one else would be able to fly them, it's going to get bad. One of our key options at DVA is the freedom to fly any flight you want, as long as you are rated. This is not going to change.
What I would like to see here is a Dispatch Sheet generated by the system that includes the most recent route from flightaware.com, fuel calculations, forecasted weather, adjustments for winds, links to the charts etc. That's going to add to realism.
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DVA4965
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Posted onPost created on
September 26 2008 10:45 ET by Alan Cluff
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If you are bored just flying from airport to airport, practice holding procedures or divert to your ETOPS alternate on a long haul with one engine down and see if you really can land at Keflavick in one piece in an ice storm. I get a little stale as well just flying here and there and always look for fun and challenging approaches.
btw...Vroute has a lot of the mentioned wants and is a great tool for flight planning.
Alan CluffSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA6036
Captain, B777-200
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89.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 26 2008 11:15 ET by John Spartan
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good ideas really.. and Chris.. that is exactly what I am looking for.. very cool.. thx
my point here is this.. I have been flight simming since flight sim was sublogic.. and.. I NEVER knew how cool SLC was until I came to delta.
and.. now.. its one of my FAVORITE airports. that one north of Seattle in Canada is ALSO cool plus there is a really cool ATC guy there that I think is a DVA pilot..
so.. you fly diff places that dont occur to you and you find cool things.. I guess that is the reason I do events too. Reno is pretty cool too.
John SpartanCaptain, B777-200
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DVA6109
Captain, B757-200
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Posted onPost created on
September 26 2008 17:16 ET by Taylor Francis
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That was going to be my suggestion, like a random flight generator (thanks Chris for sharing the link! vive 757!) Anyhow, the only reason I personally would object to first-come-first-served is thatI recently have taken a new approach to things, where when I fly, say, from SLC to PDX, my next flight is from PDX. If I were to go from PDX to, say, LAX, then my next leg would be starting from LAX. So personally, I've tried to check out new airports and rather than "warp" myself from a location I want to start at, I fly there from where I currently am. But it's always nice to have the opportunity to participate or opt out and have the agency to choose. If you were to choose to change the entire system so everyone has to follow the same restrictions (ie don't fly a flight already "claimed" or it will be rejected), people may become offended because they no longer have the option to choose for themselves whether to do it that way or not.
Just my thoughts =]
Taylor FrancisCaptain, B757-200
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DVA4194
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Posted onPost created on
September 27 2008 08:18 ET by Kevin L. Henderson
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For those that say they just want a random flight generator it already exists. http://www.deltava.org/findflight.do Instead of keeping the selection at 20 flights to display put in 1 instead. Then put in an aircraft you would like to fly and a flight appears. For those that are flying point-to-point and not "warping" put in your last city as the departure and you can even leave the aircraft blank and submit a request with only 1 flight returned and fly it.
I realize some people want more of a bidding and I won't address anything regarding that. I am simply referring to the random flight generator that already exists and is in the website.
I do agree with Alan on some good ways to make things more interesting. A very good idea I think.
Kevin L. HendersonCaptain, B777-200
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DVA043
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Posted onPost created on
September 27 2008 10:59 ET by Luke Kolin
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Kevin hit the nail on the head - we certainly can generate random flight assignments, through the mechanism he points out. I can, if people want, simplify that interface for this specific purpose. However, we are never going to a situation where we restrict what other pilots can do.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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