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DVA3438
Senior Captain, B717-200
OLP E-MAIL
Joined on August 12 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Three Million Mile Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Events Century Club
Online Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Honolulu, HI
3,901 legs, 8,778.3 hours
1,366 legs,
2,824.5 hours online 3,760 legs,
8,263.1 hours ACARS 130 legs,
355.9 hours event 106 legs dispatched, 98.6
hours
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Posted onPost created on
October 14 2008 15:39 ET by Kyle Catlin
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Just a reminder that Checkrides are to help you not some impossible task to watch you suffer. Please, when asking for help on ACARS or wherever, listen! Many of us try to help but you get angry and leave or just don't listen. Also, I have been asked by two members to fly a CR for them.. This is not a good thing to do... lol Against DVA policy, and it doesn't help you learn the aircraft. Good luck on those Checkrides! Remember there's always somebody to help you! Whether its staff or us members!
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DVA5974
Captain, B777-200
Joined on May 27 2008
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Basking Ridge, NJ USA
324 legs, 1,326.6 hours
319 legs,
1,305.4 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 14 2008 16:49 ET by Nikolay Klimchuk
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I hate cheaters
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club
"Col. Panic" Marietta, GA
2,241 legs, 8,967.3 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online 1,899 legs,
7,760.4 hours ACARS 75 legs,
196.3 hours event 2,277 legs, 9,102.2 hours total 91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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October 14 2008 17:57 ET by Luke Kolin
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It's worth noting that we have suspended a few individuals over the years for flying a check ride for someone else. We log everything - every connection to ACARS and every hit on our web site for every resource, and we don't purge our logs. You (and I mean "you" in the abstract sense) will be discovered.
Seriously though, the most important skill you need as a virtual pilot is a set of standards for yourself, and the desire to learn and better your skills. Your end result may vary as we have different goals, but the most valuable skill Delta Virtual can give you is the ability to feel comfortable and confident in the cockpit of an airliner, through systems knowledge, planning and the ability to fly the airplane. Most people fail our exams at least once (myself included). Lots of people fail check rides, many several times. But if they are honest, determined and persevere, they'll find that after 6, 12 or 18 months they possess abilities they never dreamed they'd have.
It's no skin off my nose if you cheat the system to become a 777 Captain having no skills. You, on the other hand, will have cheated yourself far more than the system. Kyle, could you do me a favor and send me an e-mail with more information? I'd like to check out the logs. If it turns out that nothing appears in them then I'll consider the matter closed and assume the individuals involved did the right thing.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA3438
Senior Captain, B717-200
OLP E-MAIL
Joined on August 12 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Everett Bi-Millennium Club
US Coastal Club
US Mountaineer Club
Three Million Mile Club
Tri-Millennium Club
Events Century Club
Online Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Honolulu, HI
3,901 legs, 8,778.3 hours
1,366 legs,
2,824.5 hours online 3,760 legs,
8,263.1 hours ACARS 130 legs,
355.9 hours event 106 legs dispatched, 98.6
hours
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Posted onPost created on
October 15 2008 11:33 ET by Kyle Catlin
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Luke, you've got mail.
Couldn't have said it any better myself! What I've learned here at DVA has helped me so much! I'm here at a university now and I know enough to probably hop right in a Piper and fly without a problem. While flying a 737-800 sim in Australia, I was able to program and FMC and complete approaches in an okay fashion.. landings were horrible though.. lol but it's just like cheating on a test at school. You may have the good grades, but you dont' know any of the material. You're just wasting your time.
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DVA6491
First Officer, B777-200
Joined on October 05 2008
Century Club
Online Century Club
"Fly it by hand." Edmonds, WA USA
174 legs, 625.7 hours
166 legs,
604.9 hours online 174 legs,
625.7 hours ACARS 1 legs,
2.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 15 2008 17:29 ET by Brendan Farmer
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I just flew my 767 CR the other night, and prior to going into it, I was scared to death, but after landing that plane by hand, I am pretty sure that I can do anything
Brendan FarmerFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA2370
Senior Captain, B737-800
OLP, COMM, VFRADV
Joined on May 26 2005
Online Triple Century Club
Commuter Conquest
Six Century Club
Stage 1 Prop Triple Century Club
50 State Club
US Coastal Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Flagler Beach, FL USA
675 legs, 726.8 hours
319 legs,
311.4 hours online 179 legs,
146.1 hours ACARS 1 legs,
1.6 hours event 0 legs dispatched, 4.0
hours
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Posted onPost created on
October 15 2008 17:34 ET by Scott Clarke
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If you have questions or concern, contact your Chief Pilot of your airframe....they are here to help....download and read the manuals in the document library, they have a lot of good information...
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DVA5050
Captain, DC-8-61
Joined on October 03 2007
Double Century Club
Online Double Century Club
Southeastern United States
293 legs, 467.0 hours
258 legs,
416.1 hours online 280 legs,
444.5 hours ACARS 46 legs,
95.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 17 2008 09:07 ET by David Thomas
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Ditto to the sage advice given here. I know I sometimes thought "Why do I need a check ride? I know what I am doing!" But none the less I studied the assigned check ride documentation and charts. Flew the flight offline with ACARS test flight checked a couple of times and critique myself as if I was grading the checkride. Every time I end up learning something new that maybe I just thought I knew and could do. With this confidence the actual check ride was no problem. And yes I too have failed a check ride, but I still learned and developed a skill that maybe had become rusty.
So I guess what I am saying, a checkride (VW or RW) is no big deal. Just approach it with the attitude that you need to take the time and prepare before flying it. Remember "If you don''t learn something in the process, then your probably not doing it right." (Quote from my RW check ride examiner in June of 1999, and yes I did pass that one, lol.)
Best of luck to all now and in the future on your next CR
David ThomasCaptain, DC-8-61
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DVA3672
Senior Captain, A320
OLP DISPATCHER E-MAIL
Joined on October 29 2006
B757 100 Club
50 State Club
Two Million Mile Club
Bi-Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
US Capital Club
Toulouse Millennium Club
Online Fifteen Century
"Chris, NOT in Seattle" Northeastern United States
2,534 legs, 6,223.1 hours
1,537 legs,
3,252.2 hours online 2,243 legs,
5,407.0 hours ACARS 4 legs,
6.0 hours event 2 legs dispatched, 19.5
hours
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Posted onPost created on
October 17 2008 09:18 ET by Chris Frasure
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The 757 program gets a bad rap for offering a very difficult CR. In all honesty, it is not hard at all. We test your skills flying a very simple VOR. The problem for many of you who fail it over and over is a lack of practice and study. Included in the CR script is a wealth of knowledge to help you pass. We include a tutorial link to flying the VOR complete with pictures! As Luke said, we can see many different variables when grading the CR. When you try to cheat, you are taking away from what this is all about. I know that failing a CR can be frustrating, but just think of how proud you are when you do finally pass it. I know for a fact that the 757 rated pilots who passed our CR have a feeling of accomplishment. Its that Eureka moment that is rewarding for your CP and ACPs.
Keep your chin up, it's part of the ride!
CF
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DVA6171
Captain, B757-200
E-MAIL
Joined on November 04 2007
Triple Century Club
50 State Club
"You'll Never Walk Alone (YNWA)" Grove City, OH
363 legs, 629.3 hours
23 legs,
23.3 hours online 352 legs,
610.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 25 2008 00:59 ET by Sean Duffy
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I want to speak to the Christopher's comments above regarding the B752 checkride. It is challenging to be sure, but once you practice it several times and understand a VOR approach, it makes you a much better pilot. I consider myself to be an OK left-seater, because it took me three (3) times to pass. Once I passed, the sense of accomplishment was overwhelming. Also, if you can pass the 752 checkride, you can pass any of them. I learned a great deal from the experience and have flown that offline once or twice more just to be certain I build my proficiency.
From Grove City, OH, Let's Go Buckeyes ...
Sean DuffyCaptain, B757-200
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DVA5737
Captain, B767-300
Joined on March 28 2008
Everett Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
50 State Club
Double Century Club
Commuter Conquest
Piranha Club
"Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
243 legs, 270.2 hours
18 legs,
24.8 hours online 237 legs,
261.7 hours ACARS 6 legs,
13.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2008 10:49 ET by Brian Clark
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To add a third voice to the B752 checkride, and to any others, practice it!! Everything about flying is practice. I did my first DVA flight, and my first real serious flight in about a month and a half yesterday and managed a -320 fpm landing. looking at my log book, I've gone from -1200 fpm disasters to averaging in the -300 fpm minute range. It took two tries to complete the 757 checkride and it WAS tough. But like Sean said, I was pround of myself for having done it. I've even been trying more non-precision approaches since. If anyone ever wants advice, there are tons of people out there to ask (Chief Pilots, help desk, senior pilots etc), even just shoot out a question in the cooler or in ACARS.
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