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February 04 2009 19:32 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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What is crosscheck. I've heard it on flights, etc. Something the flight attendants do.
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February 04 2009 19:39 ET by Mark Salter
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Flight attendants make sure that the inflatable slides are armed so that when the door is opened the slides come out immediately. They turn this off at the gate of course.
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February 04 2009 19:41 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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Really? WOW? Is it too much to just put it out after you open the door?
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February 04 2009 19:59 ET by Daniel Shaw
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"cross check" is actually the phraseology used when another person will double check something that you did. It is used regularly in aviation from pilots to controllers to flight attendants.
With the flight attendant example, the announcement is usually, "Flight attendants, prepare your doors for departure and cross check" or "arrival and cross check". Each attendant has 1 or 2 doors assigned to them. They will arm or disarm the slides and stow or unstow the jump seats and things like that, and then another attendant, who was assigned different equipment will "cross check" what you did. So, you check my work and I'll check yours, that way we both know that we both did everything correctly.
Pilots do this with altimeter, speed bug, thrust bug, altitude bug, flight mode and autopilot controls, switch positions, etc etc. The most common example of a pilot cross check is the altimeters. Captain and First Officer both set their respective altimeter, say to 29.81 and check that their altimeter reads within 75 feet of field elevation as required by the FAA, then the Captain cross checks the FO's altimeter to make sure it is set to 29.81 and reads within 75 feet, and the FO cross checks the Captain's altimeter to make sure it is set to 29.81 and reads within 75 feet. Thus the verbal checklist call out would be, "Altimeters, 29.81 set and crosschecked".
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February 05 2009 07:23 ET by Alex Vanover
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I didnt know that. Thanks Daniel!
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February 05 2009 17:55 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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Thanks Daniel! That was a perfect explanation.
Just two more thing, do the flight attendants then contact the flight deck when it is complete? Also, when you are about to takeoff it says to do "Cabin Crew Notify 2 chimes." What does that mean.
Sorry, I never really thought about how real life dealing with pass, etc. I'm into it now, though.
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February 05 2009 19:22 ET by Carl Green
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It means two chimes of the "No Smoking" sign, to notify the cabin crew for departure.
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February 05 2009 19:25 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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on the no smoking sign. lol Cool.
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February 05 2009 19:27 ET by Daniel Shaw
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Ruben, yes the Lead Flight Attendant will call the Flight Deck to notify the Captain that the cabin is secure, or not secure.
And yes the chimes are done on the no smoking switch because if they turned the seat belt sign on and off, the passengers would freak.
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February 05 2009 19:32 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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I see. I know what you mean; first time flyers. lol Luckily I was a first when I was young and had parents. Makes me sad sometimes how flying can be scary to some. It's so nice to really know how safe it is.
Anyway, whatever happened to, "Flight attendants prepare for departure." ??
I hope I"m not asking too many questions, but this has really sparked my interest.
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February 05 2009 19:57 ET by Art Forsha
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The chimes can also be done by the call button for the flight attendants. I've never seen the "no smoking" sign turn off and on with the cabin chimes. Just my 1/2 cent.
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February 05 2009 20:10 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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Interesting, Art.
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February 05 2009 20:49 ET by Casey Crebs
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I've seen it with the call button and the no smoking sign, i've seen them also turn both the no smoking sign and the seatbelt sign on and off before.
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February 05 2009 23:31 ET by Daniel Shaw
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On Delta, the flight attendant "all call" signal is two high low chimes. it sounds like "High Low (pause) High low". This is a signal from the lead flight attendant by pushing the "All Call" button at his / her panel that all attendants should pick up their intercom phones for an all call message.
All Call is used to complete the cross check procedures discussed above, but can also be used any time an urgent message needs to get to all the flight attenants at once (such as an emergency breifing).
If the pilots are going to signal the cabin crew for something, on Delta at least, they use the no smoking chime or a verbal announcement. If there is an emergency, there is a call chime that is six chimes. *high low, high low, high low* But it is only used to signal the cabin crew to pick up the intercom during an urgent situation. There are also color coded lights above each flight attendant station that correspond to each phase of flight or intercom mode in use.
Next time you fly Delta, this is what you will hear on a normal flight.
Before pushback, the lead attendant will announce that the door has been closed and all passengers need to secure their cell phones and electronic devices, then he / she will say, "flight attendants prepare your doors for departure and crosscheck and answer all call" then you will hear the all call chime, two high / low chimes to signal all the attendants to answer all call. What you don't hear is what they say over the phone. What they say, on the MD88 for example, each attendant will verbally confirm that they have done what they are supposed to do. So, using the MD88 as an example, the phone conversation sounds like this.
Flight Attendant 1: "One Left and One Right are armed and cross checked."
Flight Attendant 2: "Two left is armed and cross checked."
Flight Attendant 3: "Tail door is armed, crosschecked, the strap is stowed and the exit rows have been briefed and confirmed."
Flight Attendant 1: "Ok thanks everyone."
Flight Attendant 1 calls the cockpit via intercom, or just leans into the flight deck if the door hasn't been secured yet, and tells the captain that "Cabin is secure." Meaning they are ready to push.
Note that one left, one right, two left, etc are the door numbers. One Left would be the first door from the front of the plane, on the Captain's (left) side.
Captain calls ground and and gets push clearence etc etc.
Before takeoff, the First Officer will make the announcement over the PA, "Flight Attendants please prepare the cabin for takeoff." (interesting note here, the Captain may only make this announcement if the aircraft is stopped with the parking brake set, so normally the FO makes this announcement)
Fast Forward to climb out. Climbing through 10,000 feet, the Captain dings the no smoking sign four times to indicate to the flight attendants to make the "some portable electronic devices may now be used" announcement.
Fast Forward to descent.
Descending through 10,000 feet, Captain dings the no smoking sign four times to signal the, " we have begun our approach, please turn off all electronic devices" announcement from the flight attendants.
When the cabin is secure, the FA will call the flight deck and advise the Captian they are ok to land.
After landing, before gate arrival, the First Officer will again make the verbal announcement to "Flight attendants prepare for gate arrival."
When the plane stops, the single chime for the seat belt sign being turned off will signal Flight attendant one to make the announcement, "Flight attendants prepare your doors for arrival and cross check and answer all call." *queue the high low call call chime, same as before push back*
While the jetway is being positioned and the catering trucks and such are being pulled up, the flight attendants do one more all call with eachother that sounds like this
Flight Attendant 1: "One left and One right are unsecured and crosschecked"
Flight Attendant 2: "Two Left is unsecured and crosschecked"
Flight Attendant 3: "The tail door is unsecured, the strap is placed and crosschecked"
Note the use of the word "Unsecured" instead of "Disarmed". They use two completely different words to avoid confusing the words "Armed" and "Disarmed" over the intercom system.
By the time that last all call is finished, the jet way is in position, the gate agent knocks on the door, and the flight attendant at the front opens it and starts saying "buh bye".
Again, note that each airline does things their own way, but this is how Delta does it. I went through this process at least 4 times a day for the better part of 2 years.
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February 05 2009 23:54 ET by Ruben Schuckit
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Thank you very much, Daniel! I appreciate people like you who take time to answer everything so thoroughly.
Anyway, everything makes sense, except I have one more question.
When preparing to dep., you will tell fa to prepare the cabin for departure. Does that take the place of two chimes for about to dep.?
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February 06 2009 10:48 ET by Carl Green
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Daniel, were you an F/A for DAL?
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February 06 2009 12:27 ET by Daniel Shaw
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Ruben, yes, on Delta, they make a verbal announcement instead of chimes.
Carl, no, my mom was, and I flew with her regularly when I had really good benefits, and I was an Operations Supervisor for Delta from 2006-2008.
Operations Supervisor is a great position, basically I'm in charge of the plane from touchdown to takeoff. So I had to know everything that goes on inside and outside the plane so I could keep track of the whole turn around and ground operations process.
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