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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 20:28 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking to stop the stuttering in fs9! I've tried everything, so I believe my last resort is a new/additional graphics card. My system specs are:
i7 2.67mhz
8gb memory
NvidiaGTS250 (1gb)
580gb HD
Can I add another video card? If so, which would be the most beneficial, valuable and give the greatest results?
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on May 31 2009
"Howdy" Southeastern United States
72 legs, 187.6 hours
32 legs,
85.4 hours online 67 legs,
153.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 20:37 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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Sure you can add another video card! NONE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AT ALL, in fact, it'll be horrible. FS can take advantage of one and only one graphics card. Don't waste your money.
What kind of temperatures are you seeing when this "stuttering" occurs. Specifically the CPU.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 20:41 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Nicholas, I actually have never took any notice on the temperature. I'll try to find some temps during my next flight. How can the CPU temp affect stutters?
** The stutters go from 40 fps, to 31fps, to 40fps** approximately.
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on May 31 2009
"Howdy" Southeastern United States
72 legs, 187.6 hours
32 legs,
85.4 hours online 67 legs,
153.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 21:08 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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Jeff, the CPU temperature means it's being overworked. When it gets to a temperature too high for the CPU it will begin to loose performance and become unstable.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 21:32 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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I understand. Tomorrow i'll be in the air again, and ill open task manager and have a look at the temps.
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on May 31 2009
"Howdy" Southeastern United States
72 legs, 187.6 hours
32 legs,
85.4 hours online 67 legs,
153.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 21:35 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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Jeff, task manager doesn't monitor CPU temps. I recommend CPU-Z for that task.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
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"Col. Panic" Marietta, GA
2,241 legs, 8,967.3 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online 1,899 legs,
7,760.4 hours ACARS 75 legs,
196.3 hours event 2,277 legs, 9,102.2 hours total 91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
October 27 2009 21:51 ET by Luke Kolin
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I'd look at Task Manager and see if there are any CPU usage spikes. Overheating is actually pretty rare, and it isn't a temporary thing.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 06:15 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Okay, I just took off from CLT and did a few tests. The CPU usage spiked a couple of times, it kind of looked like a little mountain range.
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DVA6920
Senior Captain, MD-11
E-MAIL
Joined on January 24 2009
Century Club
"Another day in the office..." Parker, CO USA
163 legs, 828.1 hours
28 legs,
44.1 hours online 162 legs,
816.9 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.0 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 11:32 ET by Tom Sanders
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I don't want to get into the whole debate of what the eye can and can't see, but you are already gets 40FPS which is really good. Are you just not liking when it dips down to 31FPS or you not liking the average FPS that you are getting?
Tom SandersSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA1603
Captain, B727-200
Joined on April 02 2004
Double Century Club
Albany, GA USA
266 legs, 399.1 hours
85 legs,
131.0 hours online 93 legs,
129.4 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 14:49 ET by Michael Wilson
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CPU temperature does not mean it is being overworked. A high CPU temp is almost universally the result of either overclocking, failure of a CPU fan, or much more rarely, a bad CPU. Unless overclocked or faulty, a CPU runs within its specifications, which are within the envelope accommodated by the heatsink/fan supplied with the processor or installed by your PC manufacturer.
Tom, I understand exactly how you feel there. The prevailing wisdom of most "gamers" doesn't really apply to FS, since it isn't as GPU-dependent. You can get 50fps with FS and still have stutters. My rig generally stick around 24fps in FS9, but it's completely fluid with no stutters.
Jeff, where are you experiencing the stutters? What OS are you running? What is running in the background while FS is running? Do you defrag the thing? How is FS9 configured? Assuming all of your hardware is working properly, you shouldn't be experiencing stutters in FS9 with the specs you have.
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 17:13 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Tom- 30 fps is fine, i just hate the stuttering!
I have defragged the computer. I am running Win7 HP 64-bit. While fs9 is running, only ACARS or VASFMC is running- nothing else.
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DVA7373
Captain, B757-200
OLP
Joined on May 31 2009
"Howdy" Southeastern United States
72 legs, 187.6 hours
32 legs,
85.4 hours online 67 legs,
153.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 17:45 ET by Nicholas Taylor
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"CPU temperature does not mean it is being overworked. A high CPU temp is almost universally the result of either overclocking, failure of a CPU fan, or much more rarely, a bad CPU. Unless overclocked or faulty, a CPU runs within its specifications, which are within the envelope accommodated by the heatsink/fan supplied with the processor or installed by your PC manufacturer."
So you mean to tell me if you put your CPU under a high stress program for quite a length of time it will still operate within its specifications? No. Why do you think we need huge fans in the first place? To keep it cool when it is being worked. Just like you sweat if you work hard.
Nicholas TaylorCaptain, B757-200
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 17:46 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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I've been doing some testing, and nothing seems to work! FS ran better in Vista!!!
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DVA1603
Captain, B727-200
Joined on April 02 2004
Double Century Club
Albany, GA USA
266 legs, 399.1 hours
85 legs,
131.0 hours online 93 legs,
129.4 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 19:29 ET by Michael Wilson
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I'm not saying that CPU's do not warm up. What I'm saying is that the heatsink/fan that comes in the retail packaging will keep a processor well within its thermal range, as will the cooling solution provided by an OEM PC manufacturer (these are often proprietary). If they didn't, CPU and OEM PC manufacturers would not warranty their products. Unless it's overclocked, or an aftermarket heatsink/fan has been installed, the chances of one overheating a processor to the point of instability are quite remote. As an example, my Coolermaster V8 keeps my Phenom II anywhere between 10-15 degrees cooler under load than the stock AMD heatsink/fan did, yet it doesn't make it perform any better (at stock clock). However, it does enable me to run it at 3.7 instead of 3.1 while keeping it around 60 degrees under load. I mentioned aftermarket heatsink/fans since not all of them are better than the stock ones, and I have seen more than one of them installed improperly. In terms of heat, think of a processor like a lightbulb. Under load, it produces a certain amount of heat, which the heatsink/fan is designed to dissipate.
Of course, everything I just said assumes that everything was installed properly.
Jeff, since you're using an OEM version of Win7 64, is this an HP with Win7 pre-installed, or did you upgrade it from Vista to Win7? Is it loaded with lovely HP "utilities" like I always see in their workstations on the business side? Is there a new BIOS version available? I ask the first question since in my experience, OEM installs are notoriously bad. They were bad with XP, and in many cases got considerably worse with Vista. I ask the second question since I've been expecting to see some BIOS-sorted growing pains with the Core i7.
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DVA2253
Senior Captain, DC-8-61
COMM
Joined on April 01 2005
Everett 250 Club
Online Century Club
Eight Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"I'd rather be flying!" Church Hill, TN USA
862 legs, 1,344.5 hours
108 legs,
165.2 hours online 299 legs,
485.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 20:08 ET by George Lewis
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The Core i7 Lynnfield will kick into OC on its own depending on the number of threads in use. The Bloomfield chip doesn't do this, if I remember right.
Remember that FS2004 is still just running at 2.67, as it doesn't really take advantage of extra processors, speed wise, but with the specs you mention, stuttering shouldn't be happening.
You may want to reinstall or download the latest video drivers from Nvidia's website
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DVA2253
Senior Captain, DC-8-61
COMM
Joined on April 01 2005
Everett 250 Club
Online Century Club
Eight Century Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"I'd rather be flying!" Church Hill, TN USA
862 legs, 1,344.5 hours
108 legs,
165.2 hours online 299 legs,
485.1 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 28 2009 20:10 ET by George Lewis
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btw, if your motherboard supports SLI (i.e, a 2nd PCIx16 slot), you could probably run a 2nd GTS 250 in SLI mode, but since it is an HP, I'd check the power supply before trying something like that, IF the motherboard even has the other slot...
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 29 2009 06:24 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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George, that would be a last resort. I am dumbfounded as my computer has the specs to run fs9 like a pro, but i get a lot of "microstutters" which drive me crazy!
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DVA1603
Captain, B727-200
Joined on April 02 2004
Double Century Club
Albany, GA USA
266 legs, 399.1 hours
85 legs,
131.0 hours online 93 legs,
129.4 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
October 29 2009 10:02 ET by Michael Wilson
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Your computer has the specs to run FSX like a pro. What is your memory config? With 8GB, you obviously aren't using triple-channel. Is the PC incapable, or did you elect not to?
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 29 2009 19:10 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Triple-channel? I have no idea whatsoever. How do I "enable" triple-channel?
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DVA7732
Captain, A320
Joined on September 09 2009
Charlotte, NC USA
27 legs, 25.2 hours
2 legs,
2.3 hours online 26 legs,
23.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 29 2009 21:10 ET by Adam Sheinhaus
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Jeff- is this for all FS aircraft?
Adam SheinhausCaptain, A320
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DVA6399
Captain, B777-200
Joined on December 19 2007
Century Club
Tel Aviv, Israel Israel
152 legs, 596.5 hours
73 legs,
346.6 hours online 141 legs,
549.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
October 29 2009 21:42 ET by Jeff Popoviz
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Yes Adam. I also just checked, i have DD3 memory.
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