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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
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"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 07:23 ET by John Anderson
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I have an Biostar A780l with a AMD Athlon X2 (3.1ghz), a Nvidia GeForce 210 graphics with 1gb on board DDR3 and 2 matched sticks of memory equalling 2gb.
What will give me a more performance jump?
A Phenom II, quad core at 2.8ghz
or
2 matched sticks of memory equalling 4gb
Any thoughts?
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DVA7577
First Officer, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Buffalo, NY USA
334 legs, 637.3 hours
29 legs,
47.8 hours online 332 legs,
629.7 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:33 ET by Jesse Kovacs
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Get at least 6 GB of RAM, if you can.
Jesse KovacsFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:34 ET by John Anderson
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That would be more of a jump than the quad core?
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:38 ET by Kyle Hatch
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Jesse Kovacs wrote:
Get at least 6 GB of RAM, if you can.
Is 6GB necessary? I'm running on 4GB (DDR2) and only use 50% of it when running all sorts of addons.
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DVA7577
First Officer, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Buffalo, NY USA
334 legs, 637.3 hours
29 legs,
47.8 hours online 332 legs,
629.7 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:40 ET by Jesse Kovacs
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John Anderson wrote:
That would be more of a jump than the quad core?
Yes, because FS doesn't use more than one core.
Jesse KovacsFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:49 ET by Kyle Hatch
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Jesse Kovacs wrote:
John Anderson wrote:
That would be more of a jump than the quad core?
Yes, because FS doesn't use more than one core.
ctrl+alt+del -> processes tab -> right click FS9.exe -> set affinity -> uncheck core 0 and core 1 -> recheck both cores -> click ok. Now FS will be forced to run on both cores. Helps with maintaining better frames too! If you want to check to see the work load on the cpu before and after doing that, look at the performance tab and see how one core is higher than the other, then after setting it like that, notice that both cores run about even.
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 12:54 ET by John Anderson
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I've actually already looked at the core affinity, and have, in fact, noticed performance change in core performane, but I just didn't notice a drastic difference in Sim performance. I've heard that more cores would add to performance, but I also see in other writeups that some texture files passing through memory can be huge, and that more memory is the answer.
I really want to have the sim smoking so that I can start to tweak the visual performance as well.
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 13:00 ET by Kyle Hatch
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John Anderson wrote:
I've actually already looked at the core affinity, and have, in fact, noticed performance change in core performane, but I just didn't notice a drastic difference in Sim performance. I've heard that more cores would add to performance, but I also see in other writeups that some texture files passing through memory can be huge, and that more memory is the answer.
I really want to have the sim smoking so that I can start to tweak the visual performance as well.
Darn, that usually does the trick I would agree that upping the RAM would be the way to go in that case. The CPU looks to be good enough, better than the one I'm running and I'm getting real good performance. But out of my 4GB of RAM, 2GB is usually being used, so getting the 4GB should help you out. Also, the graphics card could be upgraded if you've got the extra money for FS.
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 13:07 ET by John Anderson
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It seems that memory has the hands so far, but I really don't understand.
My memory is Dual Channel DDR2, and I have 1gb DDR3 on the graphics card. Am I not using it all, specifically the graphics card memory? How can I find out?
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 13:17 ET by Kyle Hatch
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Download nvidia inspector for now, Im out of town but should be home later this evening and will help you out with your graphics card usage and other info including a post that sets up nvidia inspector to run FS better (for most cards) if you would like
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 13:23 ET by John Anderson
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You've no idea how much I would appreciate your help, Kyle.
I will be out tonight, but will get on any advice you have 1st thing in the a.m.
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DVA7577
First Officer, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Buffalo, NY USA
334 legs, 637.3 hours
29 legs,
47.8 hours online 332 legs,
629.7 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 14:04 ET by Jesse Kovacs
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Kyle Hatch wrote:
Jesse Kovacs wrote:
John Anderson wrote:
That would be more of a jump than the quad core?
Yes, because FS doesn't use more than one core.
ctrl+alt+del -> processes tab -> right click FS9.exe -> set affinity -> uncheck core 0 and core 1 -> recheck both cores -> click ok. Now FS will be forced to run on both cores. Helps with maintaining better frames too! If you want to check to see the work load on the cpu before and after doing that, look at the performance tab and see how one core is higher than the other, then after setting it like that, notice that both cores run about even.
That does not actually work. Especially for FS9.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ptaylor/archive/2006/11/30/fsx-today-and-tomorrow.aspx
Jesse KovacsFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 28 2011 14:32 ET by Kyle Hatch
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Works great with fs9 for me. I get 26 frames before and 35+ after.
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 29 2011 22:21 ET by John Anderson
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Folks, Kyle is a FRICKIN' GENEOUS.
FS9's using both cores; My airplanes aren't made of legos anymore, and NO STUTTERING.
Thanks again, Kyle.
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DVA2541
Captain, B737-800
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Joined on August 17 2005
Century Club
"What's that button for? OOPs" Erwin, TN USA
122 legs, 206.7 hours
1 legs,
1.1 hours online 1 legs,
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Posted onPost created on
May 29 2011 23:15 ET by John Swisher
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John, what windows version are you using? Going from 3.1 ghz to 2.8ghz especially in FS9 will dramatically SLOW you down. Only if you are running a 64-bit system, the memory will help you, due to the 32-bit memory limitation. If you are running FSX the quad-core will break-even with the 2-extra cores vs lower speed. FS9 is a single core application itself 20 cores would not help it, other than, other programs running in the back ground. If you are concentrating on fs9, I would get a faster dual-core or over-clock the one you have.
John SwisherCaptain, B737-800
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 29 2011 23:50 ET by Kyle Hatch
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John Swisher wrote:
Only if you are running a 64-bit system, the memory will help you, due to the 32-bit memory limitation.
Good catch! I forgot that part of it! One thing that confuses me, is that I've been told a lot of different things. I've been told that XP 32bit will not "recognize" anything over 3GB RAM, but it will use it. He went on to explain that it pretty much wont show you it has more than 3GB but it does use it. This coming from a computer shop guy, so I'm not sure which is right on that one anymore.
John Swisher wrote:
FS9 is a single core application itself 20 cores would not help it, other than, other programs running in the back ground.
Your right on most of that. It is a single core application, and with 20 cores it would not help. But, it does however help performance to "force" it run on 2 cores. Whether its technically running dual core or not, it helps with keeping higher frame rate, and thats all I need to know
John Swisher wrote:
If you are concentrating on fs9, I would get a faster dual-core or over-clock the one you have.
Would a faster dual core really help much? 3.1Ghz isn't bad. I was running an "old" intel cpu at 2.2Ghz and it has ran above 25 frames with a ton of addons. I am now running it overclocked at 3.0ghz and do hold a higher frame rate, but I'm a frame geek, I don't like anything under 30 frames, so really the overclock was just for pure preference and I like learning that stuff. I don't have a good income, so I am the kind of guy that tries everything to get the best out of what I've got. I would ask for help here and most of the responses I would get was the "buy this, get rid of that" but that wasn't an option. I'm running now on a system that has cost me under $200 that cranks out 32+ frames and amazing graphics. I'm not a computer wiz but if his is a better processor than mine, and mine runs great, could we get his running FS better?
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DVA2541
Captain, B737-800
E-MAIL
Joined on August 17 2005
Century Club
"What's that button for? OOPs" Erwin, TN USA
122 legs, 206.7 hours
1 legs,
1.1 hours online 1 legs,
1.2 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
May 30 2011 17:48 ET by John Swisher
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There is alot of difference in a 2.2ghz that is overclocked to 3.0ghz, than a stock cpu that could be overclocked up to for. That was some previously unknown information. If I had a 2.2 overclocked to 3.0 and was getting 32 fps. I would leave it alone and enjoy it. To each his own on the frame rates.
John SwisherCaptain, B737-800
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DVA4215
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on March 12 2007
Everett 250 Club
Six Century Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Pleasant Grove, UT USA
636 legs, 1,647.2 hours
410 legs,
746.5 hours online 589 legs,
1,563.2 hours ACARS 7 legs,
10.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 30 2011 18:00 ET by Kyle Hatch
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Kyle Hatch wrote:
I was running an "old" intel cpu at 2.2Ghz and it has ran above 25 frames with a ton of addons.
I know there is a difference, but as I said earlier, when I was running it at stock it was still running good. And his is a better processor than mine was at stock, so shouldn't he be getting well above 30fps? I wont be doing any additional overclocking any time soon
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DVA9677
Captain, B737-800
OLP
Joined on April 11 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Quincentenary Club
"American 1482, your APU is leaking baggage." Kissimmee, FL USA
543 legs, 735.9 hours
247 legs,
299.2 hours online 538 legs,
725.6 hours ACARS 2 legs,
2.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 30 2011 18:53 ET by John Anderson
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Check this one out . . .
http://www.deltava.org/thread.do?id=0x18adf
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DVA7577
First Officer, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Buffalo, NY USA
334 legs, 637.3 hours
29 legs,
47.8 hours online 332 legs,
629.7 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
May 30 2011 20:28 ET by Jesse Kovacs
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Kyle Hatch wrote:
Works great with fs9 for me. I get 26 frames before and 35+ after.
Hmmm. All the real computer geeks, and even some FS developers swear this does nothing. Yet, you are not the only one that has said it has worked. It's done nothing for me, then again I have 8 cores, and am running so high to begin with, my "slow" frame rates at dense scenery are 25-35. Well, glad it works for ya!
Jesse KovacsFirst Officer, B777-200
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