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DVA9895
First Officer, B767-300
Joined on June 14 2011
Waterville, ME USA
24 legs, 47.4 hours
6 legs,
15.2 hours online 22 legs,
43.5 hours ACARS 3 legs,
6.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 27 2011 09:10 ET by Matt Hodgkins
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Since my first flight in Alaska (Juneau-Sitka), I've been wanting to stay in Alaska for a little while and take in the scenery. I've noticed there are a lot of real world domestic flights in Alaska but many of them are not listed on the flight schedule. Why is this? For example, from Wikipedia flying out of PANC, there is service to the following: Adak Island, Barrow, Bethel, Chicago-O'Hare, Cordova, Fairbanks, Honolulu, Juneau, Ketchikan, Kodiak, Kotzebue, Nome, Portland (OR), Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay, Seattle/Tacoma, but many of them are not listed in the schedule. Other flights are a charter for Red Dog Mine and seasonal to Denver, Dillingham, Kahului, King Salmon, Los Angeles. These are just for Alaska Airlines, but since we have a couple Alaska Airlines flights shouldn't we have more? The one I was particularly interested in was Anchorage to Barrow but it's not a valid flight as far as the schedule is concerned, though Barrow is listed in ACARS as an airport but with no flights to it.
Current flights in and out of Alaska (for ASA) are: Anchorage - HNL, LAX, SEA, PDX; Fairbanks - SEA; Ketchikan - SEA; Sitka - SEA; Juneau - SIT, SEA. Am I completely wrong or should there be more flights?
Thanks,
Matt
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DVA7130
Senior Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on March 23 2009
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Events Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
Eight Century Club
Online Eight Century
"Hudson, we have a problem" Tyrone, GA USA
846 legs, 1,482.4 hours
814 legs,
1,429.8 hours online 818 legs,
1,443.2 hours ACARS 178 legs,
322.6 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 27 2011 10:18 ET by Ryan Morse
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Those flights are probably not codeshare, so they are not on out list.
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DVA5929
Senior Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on May 10 2008
Million Mile Club
Online Quadruple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
Globetrotter
Six Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
"It's buried under a big W!" TX USA
651 legs, 3,806.1 hours
472 legs,
2,922.9 hours online 565 legs,
3,319.5 hours ACARS 8 legs,
18.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 27 2011 10:54 ET by Nicholas Carpenter
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The other flights are not codeshared, but you can request a charter via the help desk if you so desire.
Nicholas CarpenterSenior Captain, B747-400
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DVA7577
First Officer, B777-200
OLP
Joined on July 18 2009
50 State Club
Triple Century Club
Everett 250 Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Buffalo, NY USA
334 legs, 637.3 hours
29 legs,
47.8 hours online 332 legs,
629.7 hours ACARS 5 legs,
9.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 27 2011 21:06 ET by Jesse Kovacs
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Or they may not operate on the day you are looking. Some flights may operate only 1 day a week. When you see one, it would be wise to create a flight assignment, then you can fly it anytime you want within 14 days.
Jesse KovacsFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA6756
Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on December 12 2008
Century Club
Online Century Club
MD
121 legs, 460.3 hours
105 legs,
415.0 hours online 113 legs,
446.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
July 27 2011 21:31 ET by Kenneth Haught
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It could also be that the information on Wikipedia is incorrect. For instance, neither Adak (PADK) or Barrow (PABR) are currently showing flights by DVA on Flightaware http://flightaware.com/statistics/ifr-route/ The only PANC-PABR route is from Northern Air Cargo, and appears to be sporadic at best.
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 18:46 ET by Luca Di Biase
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it's weird that big hubs like Miami have, in deltaVA, such few flights.....
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DVA8452
Captain, A320
OLP
Joined on March 28 2010
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
Online Fifteen Century
Bi-Millennium Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
B757 100 Club
Three Million Mile Club
Toulouse Millennium Club
"Cabin crew, please take your seats for takeoff." Novi, MI
2,855 legs, 8,631.5 hours
1,587 legs,
4,012.0 hours online 2,779 legs,
8,384.3 hours ACARS 65 legs,
189.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 19:05 ET by Justin Lawrence
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Since when is Miami a big Delta hub?
Justin LawrenceCaptain, A320
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 19:07 ET by Luca Di Biase
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it's a big airport i mean
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DVA6756
Captain, B747-400
OLP
Joined on December 12 2008
Century Club
Online Century Club
MD
121 legs, 460.3 hours
105 legs,
415.0 hours online 113 legs,
446.2 hours ACARS 2 legs,
3.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 19:25 ET by Kenneth Haught
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Just because it's a big airport doesn't mean it's a big throughput for Delta Our schedule, thanks to Luke and the rest of the staff, represents the real schedules of Delta Airlines and our assorted codeshare partners. This gives us quite the extensive flight database, but sadly it doesn't cover every potential airport you might want to fly to/from.As Nicholas pointed out if you have your heart set on flying a particular route, put it in for a chart route once in a while.
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DVA057
Senior Captain, B777-200
COMM
Joined on June 02 2002
Events Century Club
Six Century Club
Online Quintuple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"We Are ... Penn State!" Atlanta, GA USA
672 legs, 1,338.4 hours
531 legs,
1,076.4 hours online 392 legs,
786.1 hours ACARS 190 legs,
406.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 19:36 ET by Terry Eshenour
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Matt,
Our flight schedule is based on Delta Air Lines' real world schedule. We received monthly updates from a commercial aggregator that are valid for the next 30 days. Our schedule updates daily reflecting as close as possible the real world Delta schedule. In addition, Air France/KLM flights are included. They were included from DVA's early days to provide international flight experiences and a broader fleet to select from. Finally, there are historic flights that never change in our schedule. Generally the flights were serviced by now retired aircraft, e.g., DC-8, MD-11, etc.
The point is our schedule is dynamic. Before you begin your flight planning process, it pays to check our schedule to verify that the flight is valid. If there is doubt that a flight might change from day-to-day, then select it when it is available and save it to your logbook as a flight assignment to fly within the next 14 days.
Regards,
Terry
Terry EshenourSenior Captain, B777-200
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 20:00 ET by Luca Di Biase
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ok men, thanks for updates....i will seek for further Delta's routes. Could you please tell me where to put eventually finded further routes?
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DVA2701
Senior Captain, B777-200
OLP
Joined on November 21 2005
50 State Club
Everett 500 Club
Million Mile Club
Globetrotter
Online Nine Century
Millennium Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Denver, CO
1,041 legs, 3,309.1 hours
997 legs,
3,153.7 hours online 1,020 legs,
3,263.5 hours ACARS 21 legs,
38.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 20:05 ET by Dean Shultz
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Kenneth Haught wrote:
It could also be that the information on Wikipedia is incorrect. For instance, neither Adak (PADK) or Barrow (PABR) are currently showing flights by DVA on Flightaware http://flightaware.com/statistics/ifr-route/. The only PANC-PABR route is from Northern Air Cargo, and appears to be sporadic at best.
Alaska flies to Barrow a couple times a day... Never get your information about flights in Alaska from flightaware.
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 20:07 ET by Luca Di Biase
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http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/Delta_Airlines_africa.shtml
take a look here.....many routes are missing
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DVA8622
First Officer, B777-200
Joined on April 14 2010
Century Club
"We're off, like a heard of turtles." Commack, NY USA
189 legs, 783.0 hours
182 legs,
751.4 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 21:40 ET by Ethan Olshever
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Luca Di Biase wrote:
it's a big airport i mean
Think about ORD, SFO, DEN, EWR, or DFW, they are huge airports, but there are not that many Delta flights from there (Compared to AA, UA, or CO)! A big airport doesn't mean a lot of flights from a certain airline.
Ethan OlsheverFirst Officer, B777-200
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
Online Double Century Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
Everett 1500 Club
Bi-Millennium Club
Four Million Mile Club
"Col. Panic" Marietta, GA
2,240 legs, 8,963.0 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online 1,898 legs,
7,756.1 hours ACARS 75 legs,
196.3 hours event 2,276 legs, 9,097.9 hours total 91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 21:45 ET by Luke Kolin
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Luca Di Biase wrote:
take a look here.....many routes are missing
Again, those routes may operate only one or two days a week. And on the days that they operate, they'll be in the schedule.
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 23:00 ET by Luca Di Biase
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Luke Kolin wrote:
Luca Di Biase wrote:
take a look here.....many routes are missing
Again, those routes may operate only one or two days a week. And on the days that they operate, they'll be in the schedule.
Cheers!
thanks mr Vice-President......
so routes are downloaded automatically from servers?
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DVA057
Senior Captain, B777-200
COMM
Joined on June 02 2002
Events Century Club
Six Century Club
Online Quintuple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"We Are ... Penn State!" Atlanta, GA USA
672 legs, 1,338.4 hours
531 legs,
1,076.4 hours online 392 legs,
786.1 hours ACARS 190 legs,
406.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2011 23:41 ET by Terry Eshenour
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Luca,
Affirmative. Schedule updates occur automatically daily using commercial data.
Regards,
Terry
Terry EshenourSenior Captain, B777-200
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DVA7897
Captain, B767-300
Joined on October 14 2009
Everett 250 Club
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
DVA Five-Year Anniversary
Bezau, Vorarlberg AT
363 legs, 1,291.5 hours
331 legs,
1,160.2 hours online 343 legs,
1,173.5 hours ACARS 2 legs,
12.8 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 06 2011 01:26 ET by Mathias Ratz
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The map is also showing codeshare routes, but i think delta does not have this codeshare anymore..........
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DVA057
Senior Captain, B777-200
COMM
Joined on June 02 2002
Events Century Club
Six Century Club
Online Quintuple Century Club
Everett 500 Club
50 State Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"We Are ... Penn State!" Atlanta, GA USA
672 legs, 1,338.4 hours
531 legs,
1,076.4 hours online 392 legs,
786.1 hours ACARS 190 legs,
406.3 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
September 06 2011 08:20 ET by Terry Eshenour
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Mathias,
Please provide a few missing codeshare flight examples. I'll need carrier, flight number, and depart and arrival 4-digit airport codes to investigate.
Thank you,
TerryMathias,
Please provide a few missing codeshare flight examples. I'll need carrier, flight number, and depart and arrival 4-digit airport codes to investigate.
Thank you,
Terry
Terry EshenourSenior Captain, B777-200
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DVA10030
Captain, B727-200
OLP
Joined on August 04 2011
50 State Club
Online Double Century Club
Triple Century Club
"Inertial Navigation System Fan " Milano, Lombardia Italia
323 legs, 812.4 hours
229 legs,
553.7 hours online 308 legs,
767.2 hours ACARS 27 legs,
52.7 hours event 1,410 legs, 2,961.0 hours total
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Posted onPost created on
January 05 2012 21:41 ET by Luca Di Biase
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it's possible to add more alitalia's routes on our flightplans....the list is so poor!
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DVA8452
Captain, A320
OLP
Joined on March 28 2010
50 State Club
Event Half Century Club
Online Fifteen Century
Bi-Millennium Club
DVA Ten-Year Anniversary
B757 100 Club
Three Million Mile Club
Toulouse Millennium Club
"Cabin crew, please take your seats for takeoff." Novi, MI
2,855 legs, 8,631.5 hours
1,587 legs,
4,012.0 hours online 2,779 legs,
8,384.3 hours ACARS 65 legs,
189.4 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 05 2012 22:53 ET by Justin Lawrence
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Luca, we don't get ALL of Alitalia's flights. Only the ones that are code-shared with Delta
Justin LawrenceCaptain, A320
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DVA2025
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on November 27 2004
50 State Club
Quatercentenary Club
USA
453 legs, 1,458.2 hours
44 legs,
128.1 hours online 407 legs,
1,364.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 05 2012 23:07 ET by Noah Bryant
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Yet again the need for a sticky.
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