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DVA1884
Captain, B737-800
Joined on September 05 2004
"X-Plane 11.41, Windows 10" Topeka, KS
79 legs, 125.2 hours
25 legs,
40.9 hours online 65 legs,
103.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 12 2004 15:44 ET by John Stockton
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This has been dicussed previously, now I'm envolved. I had a question about METARS for the 757 Cpt. exam. "In a METAR when the sky conditions are reported as scattered what portion is covered by clouds"? Our flight encyclopedia, page 15, says.."SCT=3-5/8" I was marked wrong with that answer and corrected to 3/8 - 4/8. We are a VIRTUAL airline our test answers should come from our VIRTUAL resources whether it's updated or not. Not complaining just reasoning.
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DVA1884
Captain, B737-800
Joined on September 05 2004
"X-Plane 11.41, Windows 10" Topeka, KS
79 legs, 125.2 hours
25 legs,
40.9 hours online 65 legs,
103.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 12 2004 15:49 ET by John Stockton
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Or let us know "This encyclopedia is not up to date and may result in wrong exam answers if used as a resource."
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DVA1881
Captain, B757-200
Joined on September 09 2004
Southeastern United States
13 legs, 25.5 hours
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Posted onPost created on
November 12 2004 21:42 ET by Robb Hicks
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But still, it is basic aeronautical knowledge......
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DVA851
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on September 22 2002
Online Quadruple Century Club
Million Mile Club
Flying Colonel
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Imlay City, MI USA
1,758 legs, 3,929.8 hours
487 legs,
1,005.8 hours online 1,314 legs,
2,966.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 12 2004 21:50 ET by Brian Kolbuch
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SCT = 3-5/8
Means that the cloud cover is:
3/8
4/8
5/8
Varying from those 3... Whoever corrected you isnt fully correct either, as they forgot 5/8.
To find answers to test questions that you can find here at DVA, best bet is to search the internet.
Back in the day, when i had to decode a METAR for some test question here... i just went on msn.com and searched for " Decoding METAR reports " found a website...and figured out what everything meant from there, pretty much.
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DVA851
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on September 22 2002
Online Quadruple Century Club
Million Mile Club
Flying Colonel
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Imlay City, MI USA
1,758 legs, 3,929.8 hours
487 legs,
1,005.8 hours online 1,314 legs,
2,966.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 12 2004 21:53 ET by Brian Kolbuch
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Sorry im dead tired, havent slept in 20 hours so i didnt fully read your post.
Yes, i'd have to agree with you. If the flight manuals here at DVA give the answer 3-5/8, and thats what you put down, then you should not have been marked wrong.
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DVA1884
Captain, B737-800
Joined on September 05 2004
"X-Plane 11.41, Windows 10" Topeka, KS
79 legs, 125.2 hours
25 legs,
40.9 hours online 65 legs,
103.9 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 13 2004 06:21 ET by John Stockton
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I agree with the internet search. After taking 4 exams I now have the internet search engine fired up. I found with the right key words the answer is within the top three links. Thanks for your reply's.
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DVA1978
First Officer, CRJ-200
Joined on October 24 2004
Midwestern United States
17 legs, 40.6 hours
12 legs,
21.9 hours online 1 legs,
9.6 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 14 2004 10:03 ET by Robert Lambright
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A lot on these exams are wrong. I am working on my Instrument pilot ticket right now, and have spotted a few. Its ok though, this is just virtual.
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DVA1041
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
E-MAIL
Joined on January 15 2003
Double Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"Fly Delta Jets!" Cincinnati, OH
233 legs, 780.6 hours
66 legs,
123.7 hours online 20 legs,
39.6 hours ACARS 5 legs,
7.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
November 14 2004 10:45 ET by Matt Creed
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Robert,
Several real world pilots in DVA (including myself) have gone through the test question list and come up with questions that are ambiguous or have incorrect answers. A committee was formed to review and "fix" these questions. Hopefully we'll be able to complete the review soon. If you (or any other pilot) finds any question that you feel is incorrect, please email it to me (along with a rationale as to why it's incorrect) and I'll add it to my review list.
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DVA1322
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on September 10 2003
Double Century Club
Fairbanks, AK USA
220 legs, 544.2 hours
30 legs,
59.3 hours online 1 legs,
2.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
November 15 2004 04:03 ET by Mark Mestre
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My schedule has been so hectic that it's been tough to get back to making revisions with the exams. I know that Matt has taken the lead in that so I would think that the issue is nearly resloved...hopefully. Let me know what I can to help out Matt!
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DVA1946
Captain, B777-200
Joined on October 05 2004
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Western United States
91 legs, 376.0 hours
3 legs,
5.2 hours online 11 legs,
15.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2004 06:17 ET by Lester Padgett
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Matt,
Below is a copy of an e-mail I sent to staff regarding test questions for the 777 Captain Test, which may be beneficial to you. A test-taker should not be marked wrong on a question if the Delta literature states it as answered regardless of how outdated the info is.
I have a question regarding three test question scored incorrect on the =
last 777 Captain test.
Question 4: A little over 6,500 nms came right out of the literature; =
no place could I find an exact distance for the 777-300; there was one =
for the 777-300ER.
Question 6: On a previous test, I answered this question as 10,000 ft =
and was given credit for a correct answer; but the answer which was =
provided, in this instance, said the answer is "less than 14,000 ft. If =
so, how can it be wrong now?
Question 7: hat answer came right out of the literature, unless you are =
looking for what the number, 180, means. If so, the questions is =
somewhat ambiguous.
Please reevaluate these three test questions and advise.
Thank you.
Lester
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DVA1041
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
E-MAIL
Joined on January 15 2003
Double Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"Fly Delta Jets!" Cincinnati, OH
233 legs, 780.6 hours
66 legs,
123.7 hours online 20 legs,
39.6 hours ACARS 5 legs,
7.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
November 20 2004 12:45 ET by Matt Creed
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Lester,
I got a copy of your email and I'm reviewing with the 777 staff as well. I'll get back to you with our decision shortly.
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DVA1946
Captain, B777-200
Joined on October 05 2004
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Western United States
91 legs, 376.0 hours
3 legs,
5.2 hours online 11 legs,
15.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 21 2004 14:32 ET by Lester Padgett
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Matt,
Thanks very much. I don't know what decisions have been made yet, but on the Pilot's Page, I'm now listed as a Captain of B777-300, although I apparently still did not pass the Captain's test for the 777 with a score of 78 + percent. I retook the test since the one mentioned in my e-mail. I don't know what the minumum passing score is if 78 isn't enough; I assume 80 percent. It appears that personnel reasoned that my questions were motivated by me wanting to be a Captain and went ahead and gave me a Captain's rating anyway to keep me happy. That was not the case at all; what I'm questioning is the validity of the test scoring, in particular, and the test program, in general. My concern is for the testing situation to make it fair and valid as possible for all. Id' much rather have my test answers as being scored correct that giving me the Captain's rating per se. That is not to say that I want to turn down this rating, because I deserve it based on my belief that several of the questions on each of the last two or three tests should be marked correct based on the published material on the subjects available for study. On the test questions mentioned in my e-mail if those three were correct, I believe my score would and been pass, and if one such question on this last test had been marked correct, It would have been a pass. Even with a passing score, I still needed more flights in a 777 before being promoted.
Please don't get me wrong; I'm not turning down the promotion.
I also hope nobody is thinking that I'm discontented with the DeltaVA program because of my question, because I'm not. Although I have been a member of DELTAVA for a short period, I think Delta is the best program available and enjoy being a part of it. I intend and intended my comments to be constructive and not considered as a complaint.
I'm a retired educator and am quite familiar with testing and test scoring; I was in the profession for 20 years.
Test questions should come from the published material available whether that material is outdated or not. Scoring, therefore, also should be based solely on that information regardless of how out of date it is. That does not seem to be the case in Delta's testing program.
In fact, the information regarding the testing program says the tests are based on the specific aircraft manuals and/or encyclopedia, which obviously is not the case. Some questions are, but many of them are not. From the Water Cooler, I've learned that many of the answers are available from other internet resources and can be found by making a search. Many of the answers were found by me there. It should not be this way, but this would be all right if the scoring were done accordingly. The apparent problem here is the scorer is not using the same source(s) the tested is using. The scorer apparently is using updated material for grading the test results of the published tests, but the study material for the tests are from outdated information. I say this based this on the statements made here on the Water Cooler and also the fact that answers to some of the questions (such as I enumerated in my e-mail (two of them)) came directly from these sources. There was at least one other from this last test.
Such a program is an invitation to disaster. As mentioned above, test scoring and questions should be based on available information to the tested and based on this information only. Updated information should not be implemented until the test questions have been accordingly updated. The scorer and the tested should be on the same page. Ambigious questions should be discarded an/or given credit to the tested. The test question, "180 ETOPS means" is an ambigious question. Does the questioner mean the general meaning of the question or is the questioner wanting the specific meaning of the 180 as part of the answer?
Matt, I hope these comments help in the testing situation overhaul you mentioned.
Thank you.
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DVA1044
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on January 12 2003
Century Club
"Fly Delta Jets" Roswell, NM USA
127 legs, 388.8 hours
62 legs,
199.3 hours online 2 legs,
5.2 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
November 21 2004 15:19 ET by Lloyd Arms
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Lester how was your checkride graded? The test itself is somewhat flawed but command of the AC itself to me demonstrates more then the written test.
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DVA1946
Captain, B777-200
Joined on October 05 2004
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Western United States
91 legs, 376.0 hours
3 legs,
5.2 hours online 11 legs,
15.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
November 22 2004 09:57 ET by Lester Padgett
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Lloyd,
I'm only questioning the wriiten tests program as it now is being used, not the checkrides.
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