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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
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191.0 hours event 236 legs dispatched, 110.1
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:23 ET by Michael Brown
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Flew online tonight from KMSP to KSLC (the planned group flight). I was flying Level-D's 767. I had a totally unplanned in flight emergency while on approach to 34L. Thought I'd share my experience and what I learned from it will everyone.
The flight started out just fine. Took off a little behind the group. Had some light cross winds enroute, no big deal. I did have some really good turbulence over BPI. Salt Lake Center had cleared me to descend to FL190 at CARTR. I had a real hard time making that. I actually overshot CARTR by 1,500 feet. I was soon directed over to approach. Some where along the way I was asked to slow to 250Kts. I had spoilers wide open, my decent rate was around -500 fpm.....and I was barley able to get her below 270kts. Approach came back to me and asked me to expedite a decent to 9,000. I responded with, "Descending as fast as she can go...getting some good tail wind up here". Approach acknowledged that and simply said he would extend my decent leg somewhat. Now, I totally did NOT believe my 9-10 knot tail wind was impeding my decent. This entire time I had this gut feeling that something wasn't right. My mind was battling between, "You have some sort of problem here" and "everything is fine, your heavy, light tail wind, no biggy". After all, I got full spoiler deployment. I'm doing all I can do, right?....wrong. Around 11,000 a single ECAIS warning came up. It caught my eye right away. "FUEL CONFIG". I asked myself, "Fuel Config....?..huh?". I check the overhead and my eyes stared at the right main tank. It said "4.1"....I look to the left tank, "6.5". I have a fuel imbalance. Well, how the hell did that happen? Did I leave my APU on?...no. Besides, APU draws fuel from the left tank. I scratch my head for a moment and simply activate both fuel x-feed switches then shut off both right hand fuel pumps. I take a look at my FMC and it is saying I should have over 15,000lbs. I have about 10,000....according to the gauges anyways. Now even more concern creeps over me. I'm feeling a little uneasy about now. Of course, I got plenty of fuel to make KSLC. But it is this 'unseen' issue that is bothering me. It doesn't take that long to balance the tanks and I deselect the x-overs and turn the right hand pumps back on. About now approach has me doing turns and I am watching for traffic and doing checklists. Coming around to about heading 300 I notice something. My right engine is WIDE open...FULL throttle. I think I said out loud, "What the hell..." (O.K., it really wasn't 'hell'...I said something else, you figure it out...lol) I click off auto throttle and close the throttle on my CH yoke. Nothing happens. Still wide open. During this time I cue up approach and advise them that I have an issue. He is polite and tells me to let him know what he can do. At this point I'm only about 15nm from SLC. I advise approach I'm shutting down my right engine because of the stuck throttle. He acknowledges me and asks for another turn and clears me for runway 34L approach. At that point I realize I just made a serious, serious error. I now see that my left engine is completely dead...zip....zero...nada. I have no idea just how long it has been dead...and I didn't care. I am now flying with no engine power. I'm descending through 9,000. My airspeed is rapidly decreasing....230....220....210....205....I'm going to stall! Not good when your only a few thousand feet above the city and in a heavy jet. First rule when you encounter an emergency: Fly the plane. I quickly establish a glide path. Airspeed 205 and holding....good. I look to the overhead and click the APU to start. I click off both PACKS and make sure my bleed air is setup for an inflight engine start attempt. It seemed like forever before that APU would spool up. Uh-oh...airspeed is 195 and decreasing. I push on the yoke a bit to stabilize it. Now I have air and electric back. I click the left engine start to the FLIGHT position. I cycle the fuel shutoff. Nothing. I check my bleed air...yup, got lots of air. I check the fuel pumps, there on. I cycle the fuel shutoff again. Now I am starting to sweat and panic a little. I move the left engine start to OFF and cycle the right one to FIGHT. Nothing. In these few seconds of trying to breathe life back into my lifeless engines I realize something. You aren’t going fast enough Mike for an inflight start.....$h!T. A defeated feeling washes over me. I'm going to crash, online, while flying in my first group flight (OMG). Salt Lake Approach advises me to switch to tower. I click the engine start switches again, but this time to GND in hopes for a miracle. "Delta Airlines 31-96, do you copy sir?" It was then I see a field up ahead. I see a runway too! A nice....long...hard pavement runway only 2nm in front of me (It was U42). I quickly tell approach that I wasn't going to make Salt Lake and that I was going to try for the field directly in front of me. He comes back and tells me I’m cleared to land and good luck. I'm only seconds away from landing. My airspeed is about 205. I click the gear down and start lowering flaps. I see all three greens. But wait...no air noise from the gear falling into the wind? I cheat a little and look at the spot view. Sure enough, my gear isn’t down. So I have to pump it all the way down. Good, that’s better. But I still have no flaps. I turn on the alternate flap switches. Still....I have no flaps...not even position 1. CAN IT GET ANY WORSE??? is what I am screaming to myself now. Does the God of Flight Simulation have it in for me tonight? At this point I am committed. I halt any further attempts on doing anything else but look out the windshiled and fly. I have to sacrifice airspeed to make the fast approaching threshold..195...190...185....TOO LOW, FLAPS....TOO LOW, FLAPS...WHOOP, WHOOP, PULL UP....WHOOP, WHOOP, PULL UP. I tug hard on the yoke and will the nose to come up just a little more.....50, 40, 30, 20, 10.....then time slows......whamooo....I hit pavement....I jam on the brakes. Going as fast as I was the end of the runway is coming up real quick. Red runway end lights are flashing by me. Then I'm stopped. I breathe now. I just sit there for a moment. My mind still races. After a minute of staring at my screen I throw my hands up in the air and yell, "What the f***??". I type to Salt Lake Approach, "On the ground now, safely. Thank you for the help". I window out and click the end flight button on ACARs. I start to contemplate on what just happened.
After thinking about it I must of lost my number 1 engine way back. My number 2 getting stuck must of happened around the same time. This may explain why I had such a hard time descending & slowing when I needed to. Funny thing is, I never got a ECAIS message until the fuel config illuminated. Nor did I 'feel' or see any asymetric thrust issue. A lot of things didn't add up during my descent & following landing. I checked my fuel in the main menu, it agreed with what my overhead was saying. I tried starting the number 1 engine while on the ground. It started just fine. However, number 2 I couldn't lit. Really strange. I learned a lot here. For one thing: Cross check your insturments often. I have gotten so used to and dependant on the ECAIS that I have almost completley stopped my insturment scan. I've allways assumed (whats the first three letters of assume?....lol) that if there ever was a problem ECAIS woud alert me to it. Well, tonight, I had a serious problem and ECAIS never said a thing. Hence, why it is so important for insturment cross checking. Second thing I learned: If you suspect a problem, don't be afraid to ask the controller if you could 'pull over' (holding pattern). This way you can spend more time looking closley at what may be wrong then trying to watch for traffic, doing check lists, and making your waypoints & altitude/speed restrictions. I did do one thing, at least, right tonight. That was when the chips were down, FLY THE AIRPLANE. While I was in ground school (In real life) my instructor pounded that into us (so did my flight instructers BTW). I never did find out exactly what was wrong to cause all of this. I simply shut down FS. Maybe a glitch of some sort? Flight Simulator gods didn't get me tonight....
P.S. Listen to your gut...it yells at you for a reason :-)
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DVA2527
Senior Captain, B737-800
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:37 ET by Joe Porter
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Mike, I HAVE BEEN THERE!! Just yesterday, actually hit the fuel flow button on my panel and shut my own engine down. I guess you know what a "dead stick" landing is now, huh? This really made me laugh because somewhere in all our hours we can all come up with a pretty shakey story. Loved reading this. I have a couple of ideas why that happened, you have CH throttles?
Anyway, to a better flight soon and remember, any landing you can walk away from is a Good Landing. And cab fare will be on the airline. Also, I was just trying to figure what airfield you landed at, SL Airport Number 2 or Bountiful SkyPark. Thanks for the story!!
Joe
Joe PorterSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA3143
Captain, B767-300
Joined on May 15 2006
Little Rock, AR USA
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:40 ET by Evan Dunn
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Wow, I thought that this was a fascinating story! Thanks for sharing, and good luck in the future!
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
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"pitchpowertrim.com" Anderson, MO
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191.0 hours event 236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:46 ET by Michael Brown
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I think it was Salt Lake Municipal??....it is 11nm south of KSLC. I'll try to look it up here in a moment.
No, I don't use the CH thottles. Just the CH yoke w/ the single throttle, mixture, & prop lever.
P.S. so...uh...whats a cab cost these days from Salt Lake to Los Angeles?.....lol
EDIT: Ya, it was U42
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AFV046
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:47 ET by Ryan Wilson
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Great story Michael! Joe, it looks like he landed at Salt Lake City #2 according to the Google map.
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DVA1760
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:48 ET by Stephen Faison
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Michael, when one of your engines are stuck, do this -- E+1+2 all at the same time and it will resynchronize them. I've had that issue before.
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
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Joined on June 03 2006
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"pitchpowertrim.com" Anderson, MO
619 legs, 1,093.4 hours
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1,026.5 hours ACARS 89 legs,
191.0 hours event 236 legs dispatched, 110.1
hours
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:55 ET by Michael Brown
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Thanks!....I don't remember if I did that or not. I do remember after clicking auto throttle off that I could move the throttle on number 1 engine, but not 2. I couldn't even drag it down with the mouse. I'll have to remember that next time. Thanks Stephen.
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 00:58 ET by Steve Pickle
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Michael... I know how you feel. I got a GPWS warning once, had no idea why. When I hit the ground and sparks went flying, I realized I forgot to put the gear down
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DVA3076
Captain, B767-300
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 01:16 ET by David Taylor
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Welcome to the SLC emergency club! This is founder David Taylor speaking. All my emergency's come from the lds as well. Pretty much the same story only I make myself make it to SLC with the help of our very own Ryan Gardner slc_ctr. I never have the problems anywhere else though. Very odd if you ask me.
David TaylorCaptain, B767-300
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 01:53 ET by Grant Shelton
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As a member of the SLC emergency club I say congratulations. I lost my airspeed indicator on long final so I had to "feel" the bird down with the PAPI and the VASI. There is definately something happening there at SLC because probs never happens to me anywhere else. lol
Grant SheltonCaptain, B767-300
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DVA2569
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 04:04 ET by Manuel Hernandez
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Gotta love SLC. Four emergencies there to date!!! I think it is something in the water..
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DVA613
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 09:07 ET by David Keech
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be glad they were landing north, else we would be picking up pieces of you out of the Lake...hehe
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DVA3119
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 11:07 ET by Justin Taylor
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great story
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 11:24 ET by Daniel Grennway
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great story but never trust gauges, guages malfuntion when that happens i switch to DFR(daniel flought rules)
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 14:35 ET by Adam Seiferth
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I have had that happen in the LDS as well. I think it happened to me by attempting to type to ATC and not having Squawkbox up and ready to receive text. Then, boom, the engine is stuck. And you don't notice it until you try to slow down on descent. Nice job landing the plane, btw!
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 22:15 ET by Adam Polanski
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hey Michael!!!
I've had a similar experience in my 737. I was on final to Atlanta when all of a sudden, my throttles went full blast and i had no control over them whatsoever. I ended up shutting down the engines and landing hard and too fast.
N-e-wayz, nice job on the landing
Adam
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DVA2370
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 22:58 ET by Scott Clarke
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Michael: Congrats for passing on the story and what you learned. At times, all those automatic functions can bite you when you least expect...Also, great job in landing at U42. Was watching you on the scopes at KSLC Tower position. Dean Hoover, was approach controller at the time I think. Now, go back to U42, put just enough fuel in to get to KSLC and do a short field takeoff.....David Taylor holds the record for most fly bys of the tower after declaring an emergency....To all of DVA, thanks for flying into KSLC, it was great fun...
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DVA3076
Captain, B767-300
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 23:01 ET by David Taylor
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And I'm not ashamed to admit it either Scott LOL what was it four GA's?
David TaylorCaptain, B767-300
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DVA2527
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Posted onPost created on
June 26 2006 23:12 ET by Joe Porter
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I figured it was number 2, I flown in an out of there a lot when I did my PPL, years ago. That is a pretty short runway, just be glad you got it stopped. LOL
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DVA3269
Captain, B757-200
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Posted onPost created on
June 27 2006 00:27 ET by William Jerla
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Hello,
I had a somewhat similar malfunction in a 737-800 earlier today. It happened on takeoff roll, engine 2 had started fine, gauges all nominal, and I notice during crosscheck on takeoff roll that engine 2 had not spooled up. Aborted takeoff, taxied back to gate, couldn't figure the problem out. All the fuel settings were fine, had plenty of gas in the tanks, but couldn't get the engine to respond. Tried the E-1-2 thing, didn't work. Shut the engines off, could restart 1 but not 2.
Anyway, great story. I just got FS2004 a couple of days ago and just joined DVA, looking forward to flying here (and hoping I can get my blasted online working happily with FS2004...)
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Posted onPost created on
June 27 2006 01:41 ET by Grant Shelton
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welcome to DVA William. We are glad to have you.
Grant SheltonCaptain, B767-300
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DVA2370
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Posted onPost created on
June 27 2006 17:31 ET by Scott Clarke
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David Taylor, Yep at least 4 times, so for now we will make that the posted Missed Approach at KSLC record to beat, I will notify the rest of the KSLC controllers to keep an eye out for your call sign....we will roll the trucks early so we have everything ready for you.......
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DVA3076
Captain, B767-300
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Posted onPost created on
June 27 2006 23:16 ET by David Taylor
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LOL always a pleasure Scott someone has to keep you guys up to speed. For those of you who don't know I had two emergency landings within a three day period at KSLC for the very problem that this thread is about involving the LDS 763
David TaylorCaptain, B767-300
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DVA2999
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Posted onPost created on
July 11 2006 19:02 ET by Matthew Brown
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Nice job on the landing I probably would have stall and crashed
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DVA3196
Senior Captain, MD-11
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"pitchpowertrim.com" Anderson, MO
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Posted onPost created on
July 11 2006 19:44 ET by Michael Brown
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I was real close Matthew...probably only a few seconds away.
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Posted onPost created on
July 11 2006 22:23 ET by Jimmi Cranford
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Congratulations on making it Michael.
Your story reminds me of that Air Transat A330 that had a fuel leak in engine number two and the crew didnt notice it... they ended up losing all the fuel and both engines. They glided 180 miles to Azores.
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Posted onPost created on
July 12 2006 07:01 ET by Ralph Lawhon
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Hours of bordom interrupted by minits of stark terrior. That is flying. What a well written story. Do more writing, you make it interesting.
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