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MD11 or L1011, which should I do next. |
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 13:09 ET by Barry Kidd
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I was wondering what diffferences there are in the MD11 and the L1011, and which one would I enjoy more? I would like to go intercontinental with my flights.
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DVA1633
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 13:57 ET by Sander Jordans
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obvious differences:
types: L-1011 | MD-11
cockpit: Analog Digital
range:L-1011-1 3100nm MD-11 6800nm
L-1011-500 6000nm* MD-11 PIP around 7200nm
routes: domestic/trans atlantic mostley inercontinental
it's up to you I guess, my prefference is obvious, and my personal opinion is that the L-1011 allows for more flexible routes.
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DVA3348
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 14:04 ET by Barry Kidd
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spasiba, sander (read your motto)!
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 14:11 ET by Shane Olguin
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I recommend MD-11. It is a more challenging plane to fly, it has a much larger capacity with cargo and passengers and max gross weight, and it has a much greater range than the L-1011 (any model).
You can fly into anywhere an L-1011 flies. Just because the MD-11 is large doesn't mean it can't perform well in small airports. It can takeoff in as little as 7000ft and land in less than 5000ft safely.
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 14:12 ET by Shane Olguin
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Think of it this way too if you like intercontinental flights. You can fly from Atlanta to Seoul Korean non-stop (15+hr) with a large payload. That's 6500nm against headwinds.
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 14:16 ET by Gaston Doval
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MD-11, hands down.
Cheers!
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DVA3348
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 14:24 ET by Barry Kidd
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Thank you gentlemen for all of your input. Now I just need to find a good site to learn NAT track flight planning.
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 16:06 ET by Charly Azcue
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L-1011
Regards
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DVA1633
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 16:39 ET by Sander Jordans
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with all the respect Shane, I don't agree with that, first off all the MD-11 is an aircraft optimized for long haul routes. it simply has too much deadweight to carry out short haul routes optimaly, while the L-1011 was build with domestic flights in mind, and later got a long haul model. sure this is a virtual world and not real world flying, but for me it feels wrong to use an MD-11 on a route like ATL-MCO or MIA-JFK where as the L-1011 is perfectly suited for such routes, while still keeping the ability to fly transatlantic and pacific routes.
and ofcourse another importand factor.. the L-1011 has been the mainstay of Delta's fleet (both international and domestic) for 28 years, and I've never ever heard a pilot say anything bad about the Tristar.
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 18 2006 17:16 ET by Shane Olguin
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Hi Sander,
I will not even argue about this with you because you're absolutely right. I submit the L-1011 is better suited for short-haul routes than the MD-11. However, if Barry's more interested in the intercontinental flights I think the MD-11 might be a better choice. In the end it comes down to which regime of flight he decides to go with. Both planes have a special niche for sure.
Barry, please check our Flight Encyclopedia in the Document Library of the Pilot Center. There is an excellent section there about NATs and how to understand and utilize them. Furthermore, check this site daily for up-to-the-minute NAT track updates (that include the TMI, track message identification number that you must have when filing NAT track routes).
https://www.notams.jcs.mil/common/nat.html
If you have any questions about NATs or trans-oceanic routes please email me! 2/3 of my flights have been across either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans, and I have a lot of experience with PACOTs and NATs. I'd love to assist you in learning about them even if you do decide to go to the Tristar. ;-) Don't forget I logged over 500 hours with the L-1011 program before I moved to the MD-11.
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 04:16 ET by Ralph Gonzalez
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76!!! two engines a lot of power ;-)
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 07:36 ET by Shane Olguin
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And absolutely no excitement. The 767 is about as exciting as wet toast. Absolutely nothing interesting about it. It has two engines.. carries some people.. blah.
Three engines spices up life.
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 09:54 ET by Jacob Perry
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Barry, your choice simply boils down to what you actually prefer.
Do you like to push some buttons, sit back for 12 hours and chat with your friends, or do you want to actually challenge yourself and ...oh, I don't know... fly something?
Not sure how a glass cockpit, flying computer aircraft can be more challenging than a three-man cockpit, steam gauge aircraft, unless it has poor handling characteristics that the computer doesn't handle properly.
The L1011 may just be the best engineered aircraft ever sold, and didn't require multiple "fixes" and versions to deliver what was promised 20 years earlier.
Those are your choices, fly or watch a computer fly it for you.
Jacob PerrySenior Captain, L-1011-100
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DVA1892
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 10:57 ET by Gaston Doval
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Well, not really Jacob. The MD11 doesn't fly on its own. You need to be onto him, like if it was a spoiled child. He's known for not forgiving anyone. It's like Daddy DC10, but with new organs - that's it.
The MD11 is a true pilot's plane. Difficult to fly, advanced tech, and only for daring pilots.
Cheers!
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 14:10 ET by Shane Olguin
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Jacon sounds almost spiteful, doesn't he! It's almost as if he's jealous or something. :-P
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DVA1633
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 14:47 ET by Sander Jordans
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what's there to be jealous of anyway? the range? I gladly trade range for superior flying charactaristics
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 14:53 ET by Gaston Doval
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San San, don't fuel it up. You know how I get
LOL
Cheers!
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DVA1633
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 15:15 ET by Sander Jordans
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aww... there goes my flamefest
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 15:54 ET by Shane Olguin
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The boss just whipped out his fire extinguisher and put this thread out! I think Barry will make the right decision in the end.
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Posted onPost created on
October 19 2006 17:04 ET by Barry Kidd
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Thank you guys for all your input.
Barry KiddCaptain, B767-300
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DVA2020
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Posted onPost created on
October 20 2006 15:50 ET by Robert Cline
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isn't the MD-11 the first plane that ever did a fully automated flight from begining to end seems to me like it kind of takes the pilot out of the equasion where as the L1011 is such a dream to fly and it looks better
L1011 FTW
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 20 2006 16:08 ET by Shane Olguin
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Hi Robert,
It was actually the L-1011 that did the first "automated" flight. Don't be deceived though. The takeoff of that particular flight was conducted in control wheel steering mode, so it was sorta half-automated. It was still quite an accomplishment though! CWS was still a new thing back in the day.
In retrospect, there are currently no systems that allow for a fully-automated takeoff. Control wheel steering is no longer a flight mode for the autopilot on the newest planes. CWS was a precursor to modern fly-by-wire. In a lot of different ways CWS and FBW are similar!
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 12:40 ET by Ken Nesbitt
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Just because I am late doesn't mean I am not going to add my input. Obviously 1011 for me. With all due respect to Shane and his MD-11, I have heard many more people (pilots who have flown the MD and the 1011 both) talk bad about the MD-11 and still stick with the 1011 being the best airplane ever built. I like the MD a lot and yes it does go farther than the 1011 but it just depends on whether you would like to have your FS running for 12+ hrs with nothing to do or you would like to be able to do some shorter trips in it. Either choice, I am glad you are choosing a 3-holer. CHEERS
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DVA1427
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 12:57 ET by Lewis Gregory
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Well, I came up through the MD-11 program, but I won't automatically vote for the Mighty Dog. It depends on what you prefer in terms of automation--the glass cockpit of the MD-11, or the "steam gauges" of the L-1011. Both planes have a very devoted following, as you've seen on this thread.
I will say this about the MD-11--it's probably the most challenging plane I've flown in the entire DVA fleet. That's primarily due to the fact that it lands VERY fast. We're talking approach speeds of around 160 knots up around max landing weight. It's big, it's powerful, it's heavy, and things happen very quickly on final. You really have to stay on top of it.
The L-1011 is considerably more forgiving and (I think) easier to handle. The Aerosim version may be a little *too* easy to handle, and it's definitely extremely overpowered especially on initial climb, but it's a very fun plane to fly. The TriStar is a legend among Delta fans, because it was the backbone of Delta's long-haul and high-capacity routes for twenty years; the MD-11 flew in relatively limited numbers (no more than 12 or 13) and was mainly used on the very longest routes.
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 13:11 ET by Charly Azcue
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> It's big, it's powerful, it's heavy, and things happen very quickly on final
That's the way, (aha aha) I like it (aha aha)
That's the way, (aha aha) I like it (aha aha)
Regards
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 13:14 ET by Adam Gaweda
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> That's the way, (aha aha) I like it (aha aha)
> That's the way, (aha aha) I like it (aha aha)
Ok Goldmember
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DVA2728
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 13:36 ET by Shane Olguin
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Arrrr! Methinks pirates have taken over this thread, arrrrr!
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 21:03 ET by Barry Kidd
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There's a certain 707 owner rollling over in his bed right now thinking about how one of the songs that made him famous was posted here.
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October 24 2006 21:45 ET by Luke Kolin
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Speaking of 707s, it's a well-known fact that real pilots only fly aircraft with FOUR engines; preferrably turbojets. Turbofans are for sissies!
Cheers!
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Posted onPost created on
October 24 2006 22:24 ET by Adam Gaweda
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How did that song make him famous ?
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DVA3348
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Posted onPost created on
October 25 2006 10:35 ET by Barry Kidd
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It was in one of the dance sequences from SNF. My wife made me watch it.
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Posted onPost created on
October 25 2006 10:51 ET by Lewis Gregory
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Luke, the only reason you need four engines on a plane is to have a spare in case one of the THREE that you need fails.
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Posted onPost created on
October 25 2006 19:37 ET by James Crichton
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Hi All:
A very interesting debate.
All I can say is Head to the Light,Head to the Light<and that would be the light created by a Three Holers exhaust,
And the engines creating that exhaust would just happen to be attached to a L1011.
Sorry Gaston LOL
Jim C. CP L1011 Program.
He HE HE!
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Posted onPost created on
October 25 2006 21:32 ET by Shane Olguin
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I don't get it but sounds good anyway.
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Posted onPost created on
October 31 2006 20:33 ET by Michael Banks
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Wow what a thread!!! I came up thru the L1011 program and found it a real pleasure to fly...I also have a very warm spot for the DC-10-10 as it closely emulates the 1011-500 in performance envelope ( all load factors,WX etc. being equal )BUT...The MD-11 will absolutely kick your arse until you study it,know it like your kids,and RESPECT it ALWAYS!!! You want the challenge??
Guess my answer Sir...by the way; 1972 Lockheed Tri-Star came out with the "inertial guidance system" the plane could fly a full cycle literally hands-off...set down a FAT 11 at about 165 indicated in a fly-in sometime with all the bosses watchin...now what's it worth to ya?
See Ya Up There
Mike
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Posted onPost created on
October 31 2006 22:33 ET by Michael Scruggs
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Wow some really good arguments going on here. I've never flown the in the L1011 but I already see the clear advantages the Mighty Dog has over the Lockheed. First of all the MD-11 is a thing of beauty and nothing will ever come close to matching its splender and grace in the skies. But just because she flies gracefully doesn't mean she's easy to fly. Lewis was right when he said that "Its big, Its powerful, and things happen quickly on final." Its got one of if not the highest approach speed that DVA flies. One fatal mistake and your eating dirt. She's unforgiving but keeps you on you're toes. It has everything you'ra looking for: a challenge, beauty, long flights. You can't beat that and while the L-1011 is a nice plane, the MD-11 is far superior in all catagories (except steamgauges and who wants those anyways )
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Posted onPost created on
November 01 2006 00:32 ET by Justin Taylor
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I say we settle this with a walk off, anyone seen David Bowie?
BTW Shane that wet toast comment had me laughing for about 2 mintues.
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Posted onPost created on
November 01 2006 02:54 ET by Ken Nesbitt
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Sorry Michael, I have to defend my 1011. I just have one point and that is all I need. The 1011 served Delta for 30yrs and the the MD barely made it 14. I would have to say the far superior would be the 1011. CHEERS
Ken NesbittSenior Captain, L-1011-100
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DVA1633
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
Joined on April 17 2004
Century Club
Den Haag, Zuid-Holland NL
163 legs, 437.6 hours
2 legs,
11.5 hours online
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November 01 2006 05:52 ET by Sander Jordans
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and to add to Ken's point.. the L-1011 was the backbone of Delta's domestic fleet together with the 727 for 28 years, and for a shorter time on international routes. Delta had a total of 71 L-1011 frames over the years, with a peak of 53 flying at a single moment. after Lockheed ended the Tristar production in 1983 Delta kept looking for second hand frames, witch included Eastern Airlines L-1011-385-1's when the airline folded in 1991, Air Canada L-1011-385-100's when they retired the type in the early 90's and a host of others. compare this to the 14 MD-11's Delta had, and the fact they didn't got a single extra frame when their original order was completed. have a look at the L-1011 retirement ceremony back in July 2001; http://trijets.net/tristar/article/art07.html , the MD-11 never got an ceremony like this, it only got the traditional water cannon salute but nothing like this. anyway, my point is, Delta and the L-1011 are unmistakably connected like Pan Am was to the 747-100. the L-1011 was the plane that made Delta the big airline it is today, it was the Tristar witch opened Delta's international flights, it was the Tristar witch gave them the lift needed for the traditional high capacity domestic routes. loved by crews and passengers alike, the Tristar will never be forgotten, even Rolls Royce took part in the L-1011 retirement ceremony. while the MD-11 is probably already forgotten, no offense to the MD-11, it's a great plane in it's own right, but it's hardly the quality bird the L-1011 was.
Micheal, beauty is an subjective thing, I personally think the L-1011 is a lot more graceful then the MD-11 in every right, it looks far more natural, especially the #2 engine intake and vertical stabilizer, looks really graceful in all parts of flight etc
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DVA2887
Senior Captain, A320
OLP, 737-ATP, VFRADV E-MAIL
Joined on January 30 2006
50 State Club
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Online Eight Century
Charlotte, NC
1,252 legs, 1,761.1 hours
814 legs,
1,022.2 hours online 1,234 legs,
1,739.1 hours ACARS 31 legs,
49.6 hours event 3 legs dispatched, 2.5
hours
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November 01 2006 11:58 ET by Andrew Vane
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I think they're both very unique aircraft. I have not sought the MD-11 rating yet but I did take it up for a spin and loved the contrails coming from the flaps. Both are fun but different to fly. With a lower fuel/pax payload, they're also both way overpowered! Tells you what a 3rd engine can do. If you really want a challenge with a 3rd engine, try the mighty 727.
LOL Luke. Does the non-Boeing A340 fit in that category too?
Andrew VaneSenior Captain, A320
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DVA122
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on July 15 2001
50 State Club
Everett 250 Club
Globetrotter
White Knuckles Club
US Capital Club
Eight Century Club
Online Six Century Club
DVA Twenty-Year Anniversary
"Bring back the MegaDog - MD11!" NY
843 legs, 2,383.1 hours
616 legs,
1,837.0 hours online 642 legs,
1,735.7 hours ACARS 6 legs,
13.5 hours event 96 legs dispatched, 204.8
hours
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November 26 2006 20:06 ET by Roy Rodriguez
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I know Jim is sticking with the L1011. I've flown both but first fell in love with the MD11 back when I used to work at the real DL at JFK/LGA (back in 2001). I used to fly it all the time as a passenger to see family in Orlando, friends in Atlanta and in Tokyo. I'm sticking to the MD11. It is a bit of a challenge to land (I totally agree with others on that).
Roy RodriguezSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA230
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on August 14 2001
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
"Old School Rules!!!" Owensboro, KY USA
228 legs, 410.8 hours
156 legs,
269.0 hours online 61 legs,
107.9 hours ACARS 3 legs,
5.9 hours event
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November 29 2006 20:36 ET by Michael Banks
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Can't help myself here...We probably all know that it was economics that killed the MD-11 but it WAS nonetheless viable with Delta RW for ATL-MCO ( multiple daily flights )among other routes until just recently,so to speak;I have to state these facts...All versions of the L1011 do fly easier than the MD-11 IE not as demanding.I love the L1011 and always will especially the "Belle".I also cannot speak for the intercontinental routes 'cause I don't fly them.No time for such adventures.I can,do and will however fly ANY domestic route with the MD-11 provided there is ample and realistic Airport facilities available to handle the performance needs of this Aircraft.I took the opportunity to experiment with ROC capabilities of MD-11 last evening,and putting air densities,humidity and temperature conditions aside I discover that the MD-11 will run out of juice earlier than the DC10-30( ER)will during a high rate of climb to assigned fairly higher altitudes.The 10-10 and 10-30 with PROPORTIONATE loadouts compared to the MD-11 will hold speed right up to levelout in roughly the same atmospheric conditions.Bear in mind here that could be the developers interpretation of what the performance envelope is SUPPOSED TO BE.To further ensure uniformity,all my Douglas 3holer AC models are SGA.Finally,the DC10-10 is EXTREMELY close in envelope to the L1011 in our library,so I will be the spoiler here and suggest the B741 as an alternate ( see Luke's sig card insert above) I came thru the L1011 program and the MD-11 was my obvious choice to move into from that.If you want the most challenging and rewarding choice fly domestic routes with the
MD-11
SeeYa Up There!!
Mike
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DVA230
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on August 14 2001
Online Century Club
Double Century Club
"Old School Rules!!!" Owensboro, KY USA
228 legs, 410.8 hours
156 legs,
269.0 hours online 61 legs,
107.9 hours ACARS 3 legs,
5.9 hours event
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November 29 2006 21:04 ET by Michael Banks
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And believe me...I lost more than one due to stalling out at low altitudes on approach.I remember one in particular.Flying the IVAO network one evening into Jacksonville.Lost it about 6 miles out...not radial scanning the instruments...NOT watching Oh NO...whats that...STALL KLAXON!! YIKES AIRSPEED IS GONE!! I blamed it on the computer.With live ATC and Tony Dalman listening for cryin' out loud...
Mike
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DVA3706
Captain, CRJ-200
E-MAIL
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"Long live Deltamaniacs!" Southeastern United States
28 legs, 78.5 hours
1 legs,
2.5 hours online 3 legs,
4.9 hours ACARS
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December 23 2006 11:19 ET by Gabriel Villarini
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Gabriel VillariniCaptain, CRJ-200
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DVA2482
Chief Pilot, B777-200
Joined on July 16 2005
Online Double Century Club
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"Master of Gravity" Boston, MA USA
1,906 legs, 11,953.0 hours
228 legs,
1,400.0 hours online 1,749 legs,
11,082.8 hours ACARS 7 legs,
57.1 hours event
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December 23 2006 13:45 ET by Oliver McRae
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Gabriel i am sorry we don't read "punctuation".
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DVA2996
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
OLP
Joined on January 06 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
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Montréal, QC Canada
3,252 legs, 7,983.3 hours
496 legs,
1,363.6 hours online 3,153 legs,
7,595.4 hours ACARS 55 legs,
151.2 hours event 39 legs dispatched, 92.9
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Posted onPost created on
December 23 2006 13:54 ET by Matthew Gervais
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GO L1011 TRISTAR
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DVA2996
Senior Captain, L-1011-100
OLP
Joined on January 06 2006
50 State Club
Globetrotter
Online Quadruple Century Club
DVA Fleet Master
US Mountaineer Club
Event Half Century Club
Three Million Mile Club
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Tri-Millennium Club
Toulouse Millennium Club
US Coastal Club
Montréal, QC Canada
3,252 legs, 7,983.3 hours
496 legs,
1,363.6 hours online 3,153 legs,
7,595.4 hours ACARS 55 legs,
151.2 hours event 39 legs dispatched, 92.9
hours
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Posted onPost created on
December 23 2006 14:01 ET by Matthew Gervais
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My mother used to love working on them when they were still with Air Canada
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DVA2626
Senior Captain, MD-11
Joined on October 16 2005
Triple Century Club
"Knowledge Is Power" Atlanta, GA USA
328 legs, 841.9 hours
324 legs,
833.9 hours ACARS
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December 27 2006 14:31 ET by Brian Braden
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Both are good airplanes no doubt.but i like the L-1011 better mainly because i worked for Lockheed Martin in the past and they have built some of the best millitary aircraft in the world.
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