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Posted onPost created on
September 04 2007 13:19 ET by Danny Smith
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Hi everyone,
I was wondering with those who own Radar Contact 4 how they implant STARs into their flight plans. I read the mauels, but I still don't know how to have them let be do STARs . I'm using the default FSX Flight Planner. Thanks!
Danny SmithCaptain, B757-200
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DVA3355
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Posted onPost created on
September 04 2007 14:14 ET by Daniel Hodnik
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the FP has to be built with the appropriate STAR. There is no way to add the STAR once flying.
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DVA4453
Captain, B757-200
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Posted onPost created on
September 04 2007 14:31 ET by Danny Smith
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Ok, but how should I implant that with the default FSX Flight Planner? I have the checkpoints for the STAR in my flightplan, but do I need to have the actual STAR name for it to be reconized?
Also, when I created the STAR in the flight planner, the intersection that the STAR was based on wasn't there, so I added it where the cordinates said that it is. Will thsi effect anything?
Danny SmithCaptain, B757-200
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DVA4651
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September 04 2007 15:05 ET by Aleksandar Gergishanov
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Danny I've been having the same problem, not only that it doesnt recognize the STAR, but vectors you in as the default ATC would and I've been having a lot of problems after Take-Off. Tt doesn't say anything and later it tells you that you're off course and tells you to go back towards the Airport. Radar Contact 4 was not worth the money I spend.
Aleksandar GergishanovCaptain, B767-300
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DVA3535
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Posted onPost created on
September 05 2007 00:18 ET by Clarke Duarte
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Capt Alex, Usually if you have missed a waypoint that you put in your flight plan, rc4 will not re-route you so it thinks you are off course. If you check the options in flight ,you will find in-cockpit changes, select fly to the next waypoint on your flight plan, it will put you back on the intended course and away you go. Also if you enter the waypoints describing a star, it will fly it, however the program, like the FAA ATC , will take over and vector you to final . Trust me, I've been using rc4 for quite a while with good results, you just have to learn how to communicate with it. It's only a program, but it will do whatever you TELL it you want to do.
Take care. Clarke
Clarke DuarteSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA3355
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September 05 2007 01:50 ET by Daniel Hodnik
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Gonna have to agree with Clarke here.
Some major STARS like those into ATL are tough to simulate though. RC4 in general will give you a descent to hit 40nm out and then begin a vector for you shortly after. SIDS you are free to fly though and as in real life, they do not give you way points to follow as you are expected to know what you've filed.
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DVA4651
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Posted onPost created on
September 06 2007 13:19 ET by Aleksandar Gergishanov
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Thanks Clarke, I looked into what you said and it worked, but still there is the problem with the SID, lets say 25%-50% of the time RC4 tells me that I'm off course and I need to go back. Espessialy with LOOP4 at LAX. Now if I'm not mistaking the ATC is suppose to vector you to LAX VOR, with me it tells me after take off resume own navigation. I don't know probably I'm expecting too much from the program. But anyway, thanks that helps a lot.
LOOP4 SID: http://www.deltava.org/charts/0xeab.pdf
Aleksandar GergishanovCaptain, B767-300
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DVA3535
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Posted onPost created on
September 06 2007 13:59 ET by Clarke Duarte
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Aleksander, That's where you hit next-9, then direct cockpit - 1, then request the next waypoint direct or the LAX vor direct. You are given a long list in your flight plan to fly direct to then resume flightplan. I would never go back, that's just not as real as it gets. Keep experimenting, it's really superior to the ms default, however will never be as good as a person with a brain.
Take care, Clarke
Clarke DuarteSenior Captain, B737-800
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DVA4651
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Posted onPost created on
September 06 2007 14:40 ET by Aleksandar Gergishanov
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Thanks Clarke, I'll keep trying
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Posted onPost created on
September 07 2007 05:19 ET by Vic Bautista
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Radar contact will allow you to fly a full ILS/VOR approach and will not give you vectors or altitudes. You will have to fly the STAR using restrictions on the chart.
Eventually RC4 will contact you to change over to tower frequency.
Vic BautistaCaptain, B767-300
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Posted onPost created on
September 07 2007 10:26 ET by Joe Porter
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I agree with all the feedback here. I am a regular user of RC4. I have gotten all the nuances down and it performs well, I will check/verify that waypoints in my FP are identical to RC4 waypoints and make sure I hit them and all is well. Also, I usually call for permission to fly the "full ILS" after on approach and fly my star waypoints and tower will pick me up about 10 miles out . . . actually it is a very good program once you get it down. Pretty realistic in many cases and would be a great training tool for flying ATC for a lot of our pilots venturing onto on line ATC . . .
Joe PorterSenior Captain, B737-800
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