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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 21:00 ET by Blake McNamee
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Any idea why this right engine wont start, but the left does perfectly?
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 21:13 ET by Chuck Gehman
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Have you updated with the newest SP(s), this is a problem that used to happen to some with the very first release but was fixed in later SP's.
Your O/H shot looks right.
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 21:16 ET by Alex Jevdic
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Is the isolation valve open?
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 21:19 ET by Steve Pickle
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Looks like you aren't getting any duct pressure. I'm can't tell exactly what you are doing wrong from this picture, but I'm sure Charly knows.
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 21:26 ET by Perez Howson
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he prolly doesnt have the new SP3 update for the LDS... let us know if that fixed the prollem...
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 22:13 ET by Daniel Johnson
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Check too make sure your failures are turned off. It appears to me that the Right Generator is disconnected. Notice how all the switchs for the right side are INOP (ie RIGHT TRIM AIR, RIGHT UTITLY BUS). Have the ground crew reconnect the right side generator. That should do it, good luck
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Posted onPost created on
December 19 2007 22:37 ET by Rob Morgan
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Be sure to let the duct pressure recover to at least 25 psi before trying to start the other engine. Cranking too soon without enough pressure will give the reading you see in your screenie.
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Posted onPost created on
December 20 2007 16:32 ET by Blake McNamee
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Thanks for all the tips, I downloaded the full SP3 update but It did not seem to change anything. They version notes and fixes txt file for the 767 says I have version 1.0.3, which is SP3. But it really didn't seem to change anything. I will mess with it more today and see if anything happens.
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December 20 2007 16:55 ET by Charly Azcue
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It's hard to help you with only one pic that reflects 1 sec in the engine start ops.
From what I see in that pic there's no air bleed pressure .. what intrigues me it's the air pump in the center hydraulic system.. PRESS ilumminated detecting a very low air pressure.. you moving the flaps on the engine startup procedure? it's the spoilers handle in the up position?, if the spoilers are up it rest air bleed .. no engine air bleed not APU air bleed provided, even if they are on/activated.. and there's no duct leak reported.. very strange.
Describe you engine startup procedure please.
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Posted onPost created on
December 20 2007 17:50 ET by Steve Pickle
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Might be the external power. Try turning the external power off, and start from the APU instead.
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Posted onPost created on
December 20 2007 22:51 ET by Chuck Gehman
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Please post this over at the Level-D forums if you do not mind. Would be neat to get an issue that is not answered by a simple "RTFM". This one has my curiosity aroused alot.
www.leveldsim.com/forums
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Posted onPost created on
December 20 2007 23:38 ET by Lewis Gregory
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I've never seen that happen before. Your switches *look* right, but I'm not a deep expert on the LDS. I can't figure out, if you've started the left engine already, why you aren't getting pressure from both that bleed and the APU.
Do what Charly suggests and check the flaps and spoilers. You might also trying uncapping and toggling the center isolation valve on and off, although I don't see where that would do much. Then try this from a cold and dark start--connect external power and air, and try to start #2 using that without the APU. If you can get #2 to fire up, disconnect the externals, then push back and start #1.
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Posted onPost created on
December 21 2007 09:04 ET by Octavian Constantinescu
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i think steve might be onto something. either do only external power and external air (very important to connect), or do an apu only start. check if your fuel switches are on cut off by any chance. play around with the isolation switches until you get good duct pressure.
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December 21 2007 13:32 ET by Matt Czwakiel
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In real life a 767 could start on external air without the APU running. I don't know why the Level-D can't even though I have SP3 installed.
Your external air is connected and your second engine won't have enough pressure to start up. Just do what I do, I establish power from the APU
and disconnect external power/air before pushback and I'm ready to go. Just disconnect your external air and you should be set.
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Posted onPost created on
December 21 2007 14:14 ET by Charly Azcue
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No matter if you have both External Power/External Air connected and the APU running..
External power = no air bleed
External Power + External Air = you have air bleed
External Power + APU = APU air bleed
External Power + External Air + APU = you have air bleed
APU alone = you have APU air bleed
One engine running = you have air bleed indication
One engine running + APU (your picture) = you have air bleed
However your pic shows ZERO air bleed and a PRESS flag on Center Hydraulics air pump
Matt, reinstall your copy 'cause you can start both engines without the APU running on the LDS
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Posted onPost created on
December 21 2007 15:41 ET by Brad Talley
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Try turning off the left engine bleed and see if your duct pressure increases. Based on your pictures and what others have noted you don't have enough duct pressure for the start, it might be due to the fact that you have both APU bleed and Engine bleed open.
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Posted onPost created on
December 21 2007 16:27 ET by Charly Azcue
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But if that's the case where a valve is open when commanded closed... should be a "BLEED" illuminated flag for the left engine in the picture.
"The engine bleed air valves are armed when the engine bleed switches are selected ON. The valves are pressure actuated and remain closed until engine bleed air pressure is sufficient to cause forward flow. The valves may close when the APU is starting either engine."
Regards
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