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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
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2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 02 2008 23:16 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Hi Everyone!!!
First of all....HAPPY NEW YEAR!
My best regards and the best of luck for the upcoming 2008 battle....lol
Now to my question.
I curently have the NVIDIA 7900 GTX video card with 512 MB of memory.
Would there be any SIGNIFICANT difference in performance and frame rates, thats worth the spending of $589 USD on the new 8800 GTX video card that has 768MB of memory?
Does anyone have any inside info on wheather its worth the wait for a couple of months for a new product that might be comming out?
Somehow, Im still getting a little hecktic performance when flying with PMDG to any of cloud9 or fly tampa sceneries. (Specially when flying online)
I currently have 2GB of RAM memory. Would I get better performance if I upgrade to 4GB? (and wait a little while to save for the new video card?)
I really really really appreciate your tech support....most of you understand how frustrating it can be to finish a beautifull flight and an amazing approach with a louzy landing due to performance..
Once again...Thanks and happy new one!!!!!
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DVA3294
Captain, B767-300
Joined on July 02 2006
Online Double Century Club
Quatercentenary Club
"Failure is not an option" Fort Lauderdale, FL USA
446 legs, 854.1 hours
266 legs,
409.6 hours online 13 legs,
16.4 hours ACARS 33 legs,
60.1 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 02 2008 23:44 ET by Ryan Nicolay
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If your running FS9, the graphics card might be better to get sooner as 2GB of memory seems sufficient. What kind of processor do you have?
Ryan NicolayCaptain, B767-300
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DVA043
Senior Captain, MD-11
OLP
Joined on June 10 2001
Event Half Century Club
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"Col. Panic" Marietta, GA
2,241 legs, 8,967.3 hours
240 legs,
553.9 hours online 1,899 legs,
7,760.4 hours ACARS 75 legs,
196.3 hours event 2,277 legs, 9,102.2 hours total 91 legs dispatched, 66.4
hours
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Posted onPost created on
January 02 2008 23:44 ET by Luke Kolin
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Go here: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=778&model2=709&chart=291
Now compare your cards. What I saw in the graph is that after a certain point, you're CPU-bound, not GPU-bound. Your GPU just doesn't make a difference if your CPU isn't powerful enough. What is your CPU?
Cheers!
Luke KolinSenior Captain, MD-11
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DVA071
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on July 03 2001
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Weston, MA USA
375 legs, 1,827.1 hours
310 legs,
1,535.6 hours online 159 legs,
991.1 hours ACARS 2 legs,
14.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 02 2008 23:54 ET by Geoffrey Smith
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In my experience, no you would not see a markable performance upgrade. You're most likely processor limited. The extra VRam isn't likely to be used (I rarely used over 75% of my current 640 (480 MB), and the it becomes a question of the differences between cards.
Tomshardware does a side by side comparison of the 7900 GTX 512 and the 8800 GTX 768 in FSX. Their tests reveal that unless you run at HD resolutions (1920*1200), the 7900 GTX 512 actually gets better FSX performance, although statistically they're identical (within .1 FPS). That would seem to indicate this is a counterproductive investment. See that here: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=709&model2=706&chart=292
I highly recommend a thorough reading of Tomshardware if you're seriously considering this upgrade, including this latest article: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/12/geforce_8800_gts_512_mb/
The 8800 GTS 512 (more recent than a 320 or a 640, features a G92 chipset) beats out the GTX in almost all categories thanks to this newer chipset and costs half the price.
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DVA071
Senior Captain, B757-200
Joined on July 03 2001
Triple Century Club
Online Triple Century Club
Weston, MA USA
375 legs, 1,827.1 hours
310 legs,
1,535.6 hours online 159 legs,
991.1 hours ACARS 2 legs,
14.5 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 02 2008 23:56 ET by Geoffrey Smith
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Luke beat me too it :-)
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
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"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:12 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Its an intel pentium 4 with 3.4 GHz. 240 GB of HD.
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
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Online Fifteen Century
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Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:23 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Ok, Thanks for the link Luke.
I saw the comparison, although I still use FS9, I guess I can get a general idea. In Fact, there is little difference between the video cards. And its tested on a 2.93 GHz CPU showing 21+ frames. Im assuming this is flying with the default scenery, default aircraft and clear skies, offline with no SB3 connection, and with no Active Sky to manage weather.
Ok, SO I WONDER. I believe I have an OK system but flying with Active Sky, PMDG 747, Flight Environment Pro, Ground Environment Pro, Online with Performance settings in FS9 to around 80%-90%. into KLAX 's cloud9 scenery....(weuf)gives me no more than 6-8 frames on cloudy skies, and 11-13 on clear skies.
Is this asking too much of flight simulator?
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DVA1933
Senior Captain, B727-200
Joined on September 19 2004
Triple Century Club
Monterrey, NL Mexico
357 legs, 860.4 hours
72 legs,
132.3 hours online 255 legs,
668.3 hours ACARS 1 legs,
1.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:29 ET by David Eugenio Gomez
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Compadre, feliz año antes que nada, espero que la hayas pasado chingon.
I'm not sure the 8800GTX would make much of a difference in FS9. Maybe you'll get a few more FPS, but you'll be very limited by your CPU. I have an almost exact same system as yours, except that I have 1Gig RAM and onboard graphics, yet I get 5-7 FPS on Cloud9 LAX with 75% AI traffic. The difference is that I'm running a ton of payware addons and medium-to-low settings.
Unless you're running FSX with DirectX10 and you have a dual-core processor at least, the GTX is a waste of money, and BIG money it is.
Methinks...
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DVA1933
Senior Captain, B727-200
Joined on September 19 2004
Triple Century Club
Monterrey, NL Mexico
357 legs, 860.4 hours
72 legs,
132.3 hours online 255 legs,
668.3 hours ACARS 1 legs,
1.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:30 ET by David Eugenio Gomez
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Oh by the way, run a defrag, helps a LOT.
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
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Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:38 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Compadre, igual pa ti, happy new year!! Un abrazote.
Well...adding to my doctors symptoms list. I run Ultimate Defrag twice a month for high performance, and I do have a dual core processor.
One must sacrifice nice airport scenery and visual satisfaction in order to get a nice handling of the aircraft.
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DVA1933
Senior Captain, B727-200
Joined on September 19 2004
Triple Century Club
Monterrey, NL Mexico
357 legs, 860.4 hours
72 legs,
132.3 hours online 255 legs,
668.3 hours ACARS 1 legs,
1.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:42 ET by David Eugenio Gomez
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The Pentium 4 is not dual-core =/
Sure you ain't talking about Hyper Threading? I have that, but it's different than dual-core.
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:45 ET by Isidoro Attie
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hmmmmm you got me thinking.
Is there any way to find out?
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DVA1933
Senior Captain, B727-200
Joined on September 19 2004
Triple Century Club
Monterrey, NL Mexico
357 legs, 860.4 hours
72 legs,
132.3 hours online 255 legs,
668.3 hours ACARS 1 legs,
1.9 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 00:49 ET by David Eugenio Gomez
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Now you got me thinking LOL
I'm not sure. My dxdiag command tells me that I have 2 CPU's, but it's a single-processor with the HT thingy turned on. But I'm pretty sure that P4's aren't dual-core.
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
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Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 01:01 ET by Isidoro Attie
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hmm same here...pic on top
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DVA5295
Captain, B737-800
Joined on December 15 2007
Bangalore, Karnataka India
44 legs, 97.0 hours
35 legs,
81.0 hours online 42 legs,
92.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 05:38 ET by Preetham Kumar
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mate first change Your CPU TO a dual core , and 512mb and 768mb dont make any difference its the GPU that makes the difference (Graphical Processing Unit).i think 7900gtx is more powerful than my card 6800gt , and i use fsx i get a decent fps about 15 at high detail , with ur card u can even get higher,
Regarding the ram quantity : 4 gig of ram is needed for rendering the more ram got for rendering the smoother the game looks at high resolution.
Regarding CPU: if change your mind to upgrade the cpu then looking that the DXdiag u have a intel 945 and it support intel core 2 duo. buy either E6550 or E6750 both r dual core , 65nm, 4mb l2 that enough.
p.s: windows xp 32bit only support max of 3gig , if uw ant to use 4 gig then u have to use xp pro 64bit or vista.
Preetham KumarCaptain, B737-800
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DVA4851
Captain, B737-800
Joined on August 15 2007
Eastern Canada
19 legs, 28.5 hours
13 legs,
23.1 hours online 13 legs,
21.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 12:30 ET by Octavian Constantinescu
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actually preetham, 32bit operating systems only support 2GB of ram, not 3.
im going to throw my 2 cents in by telling you, like everyone else, to get a new cpu. find out what your motherboard can support and get the best you can. the p4 motherboard may be a 478 pin, and that is a bit outdated, so u might have to splurge with a new motherboard too. if it is a LGA775 you are ok. find the max FSB freq it supports and look up cpu's with that freq or less. for instance, a good cpu @ 1066MHz FSB is the E6600 (dual core) for around $200. you can find cheaper ones as well. a good motherboard is something like the 680i LT from a variety of manufacturers. i got my XFX one for $100, which is a very good price for the performance i'm getting.
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
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Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 13:50 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Thanks Octavian. I have about $250 to spend. What do you think is my best option? Speed in Ghz is not important?
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 18:46 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Guys
. Ive checked for the E6750. Sounds like a good option. So my final quesiton is, Am I definately going to notice an increase in perfromance upgrading my motherboard to the E6750? (in other words, is it worth the spend?) Ill keep the 2GB of RAM until I upgrade to VISTA (which I have sitting on my desktop, VISTA Ultimate (32bit) just waitng for me to have the courage to install it, once every thing works as it should with XP). And Ill wait until a better and more accesible video card comes into market in the next 8 months.
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DVA3312
Senior Captain, B767-300
Joined on July 05 2006
Online Quadruple Century Club
50 State Club
Six Century Club
Globetrotter
"Go Gators!!" Tampa, FL USA
647 legs, 1,395.6 hours
490 legs,
641.0 hours online 561 legs,
1,202.4 hours ACARS 21 legs,
54.0 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 18:57 ET by Alex Henni
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I've heard nothing but good things about the E6750, I plan on getting one soon myself. As for video card check out the Geforce 8800GT its more affordable and its a high end video card.
Alex HenniSenior Captain, B767-300
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 19:25 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Yeah, my motherboard does not support the E6750. Ineed to change it as well as the processor.
For processors I have the E6750 in mind, what would you suggest as a good motherboard to go allong with my christmas shopping (or post christmass) list. For good performance with FS(9 for the next year, at least. thinking of maybe installing VISTA and using FSX soon.
Once again, thanks for all of your support.
cheers
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 03 2008 19:52 ET by Isidoro Attie
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I forgot to ask. From those who have experience with changing to VISTA. Will it slow my system?
This is what I came up with.
- Updating the motherboard to have the DP35DP (???)
- Updating the processor to the E6750.
- Adding two more GB of RAM to have two sockets of 2GB each for a total of 4GB.
All this, in Mexico, for the price of $600 USD....
Sounds reasonable?
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DVA5295
Captain, B737-800
Joined on December 15 2007
Bangalore, Karnataka India
44 legs, 97.0 hours
35 legs,
81.0 hours online 42 legs,
92.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 05 2008 23:39 ET by Preetham Kumar
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@Octavian
no mate i checked it my self its support max of 3gig , cos i bought a transcend axe ram 1gig x4 , but in the windows xp its showed only 3gb, when i switch it to vista, its showed 4gig , so i asked to my friend who works in Microsoft as a researcher, he told only xp pro 64bit and above support more than 3gig of rams.
Preetham KumarCaptain, B737-800
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DVA5295
Captain, B737-800
Joined on December 15 2007
Bangalore, Karnataka India
44 legs, 97.0 hours
35 legs,
81.0 hours online 42 legs,
92.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 05 2008 23:43 ET by Preetham Kumar
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Plz wait till march u will be getting the geforce 9 series cards , and buy the EVGA nForce 780i SLI Motherboard, http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/508 cos that is the new chip. and has a pci ex 2.0
Preetham KumarCaptain, B737-800
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 09 2008 14:59 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Final decision!!!. Here it goes. my savings into flying again!!!
E6850 Processor, Core 2 Duo @ 3.0
DP35DP Motherboard.
Keeping my current NVIDIA 7900GTX @ 512 and will put two more GB of RAM in the near future to have 4GB total.
Does it sound like a fair enough system to aks good performance and quality to the simulator?
FS9 and FSX
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DVA5295
Captain, B737-800
Joined on December 15 2007
Bangalore, Karnataka India
44 legs, 97.0 hours
35 legs,
81.0 hours online 42 legs,
92.8 hours ACARS
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Posted onPost created on
January 12 2008 13:46 ET by Preetham Kumar
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thats a nice cpu mate , i am shore u will get a higher fps in FSX. making ur gpu a bottleneck
Preetham KumarCaptain, B737-800
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DVA2230
Senior Captain, B777-200
Joined on March 28 2005
Globetrotter
Everett 1500 Club
Online Fifteen Century
DVA Fifteen-Year Anniversary
Bi-Millennium Club
Eight Million Mile Club
"Come Fly with me!....." Álvaro Obregón, D.f. México
2,279 legs, 16,597.1 hours
1,760 legs,
12,685.1 hours online 1,390 legs,
10,107.6 hours ACARS 1 legs,
11.7 hours event
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Posted onPost created on
January 16 2008 01:02 ET by Isidoro Attie
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Might as well.......
I went for the extra 2GB of RAM also....
I get my system back from service with the new stuff tomorrow night.
Ill be installing my multiple (and i mean multiple) programs for FS9 tomorrow night, hopefully after 3 hours will try to make a short flight to test it.
If I get through with all the tasks.....if not, it will be until next year when i finishi....lol
Ill try also topost some shots with the inaugural flight. Its going to be out of JFK to probably a heavy frame rate destination to see how it handles.
Thanks for the support everyone!!!!
cheers
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